Thank you, Dean

for correction, and sorry for price info, dont wanted to break the rules (( Fully agree with you, only Extract can mislead buyers (and auction house as well) and is not enough to check and evaluate a watch. Hopefully the watch is redialed at VC, but I doubt it because of strange small hand at 3 and unusual markers on the same subdial between 45 and 15. And I'm not sure about pictured watch you've posted. This is the pic used for 4111 in THL article, right?

And this is the pic, used in the same article, but for ref 3768

Even stitches on the strap and the hand on 34 sec (at 9) are the same )) Reffering to Phillips sales in November 2020 in Geneva, I would suggest, that chrono with pulsometer scale is ref 3768. It was a mistake in THL article, sorry With best regards Serge

Chrono 4111 - rare find or frank?

By: serg70 : January 11th, 2022-07:53

Next week on Artcurial auction will be sold extremely rare V&C chronograph ref 4111 . If I recall it right (article about VC chrono's was published on THL), only 3 pcs in YG were produced in late 30s-40. This particular watch (lets call it watch Nr2) look...

Serge, I've edited out the pricing info

By: Tick Talk : January 11th, 2022-15:32

as posts dedicated to prices aren't allowed. But the discussion about the watch itself is fine and I'm pleased you've highlighted this piece. As you know, the more valuable a vintage V&C, the greater scrutiny one should apply. I wish more sellers woul...

Thank you, Dean

By: serg70 : January 11th, 2022-19:22

My theory: it's both!

By: Tick Talk : January 11th, 2022-21:35

The same case design was used for both; first as photo reference 3768 in 1937 with cal. 295 based on a Martel ebauche, subsequently changed to model reference 4111 in 1939 when the photo reference system was discontinued. For the 4111, the movement was ch...

Thank you sharing so much.

By: teacher Sun : January 11th, 2022-21:58

The picture is not clear, but through careful observation, it seems that the small dial at 3:00 is still 45 minutes. I feel it is very difficult to find a vintage V&C which made before 1940, with a completely original dial.

45 min

By: serg70 : January 11th, 2022-22:11

and the hand as on Antiquorum watch, not as Nr2 With best regards Serge

Thank you for explanation!

By: serg70 : January 11th, 2022-22:02

Indeed the same case (it would be great to find pic of case back for both references to check the producer). Do you have it occasionally? )) Different ebauchee, I agree. Probably also pulsometer vs tachimeter scale? Only 6 pcs vs 3 pcs? Without photos and...

In 1939, after V&C and JLC cooperated in 1938

By: teacher Sun : January 12th, 2022-01:59

The stock movements before cooperation were still used. Therefore, on some models from 1939 to 1940, the style of dials and hands were close to the time before 1938.