Mark in Paris
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With all due respect, I think that many didn't understand the sense of what you wrote.
From your first post, we thought you said it was copy. Thus fake news (or fake novelty?) was about the brand's work.
If you had taken the time to read objectively my answer to your post, you would have observed that I didn't agree with that totally and that I was on the same track than what you just said i.e. I don't think this is really copy.
So please don't say I wrote otherwise.
However, from the picture that was posted by Brandon, there are clear signs of very close design, especially since posters that answered to his posted (including someone very aware of how it was developped) explained that they had been developped together. Thus, facts seem to contradict your position saying they are not.
(by the way, it would have been easier if you had answered his post directly in order to fuel the discussion. And as long it is done with respect, a value we try to promote on the forum)
Thank you.
--- FAKE NEWS --- recognise it, identify it and stop it!
Is this fake news? Why not just talk about the facts? Let's do a fact check....
Unfortunately Fake news is a new reality but it is an old subject with a new name.
You need authentic voices from trusted resources. I feel that is what we stand for here. I trust that people here understand that every word pronounced will be subject to discussion and as such the facts will shine. There are no glass windows to hide behi...
I really hope we can stop seeing those childish words here...
Stop bringing hyped up conspiracy theory words here. 'FAKE NEWS'. Just speak like an adult and say whats on your mind.....
The reply I posted on the other thread
"Firstly, if you look at many movements, like chrongoraphs for instance (and Perpetual Calendars with the choice of cam in 12 or 48), you notice that there usually isn't very significant differences in positioning of the elements. The global design is oft...
Thats psuedo facts, if you compare the movements
you will discover they have no (0) parts in common . You could not take even one part (maybe except the screws) and put it from one movement in the other movement and the other movement will run. Maybe, if at all (I would question it), they share an rough...
With all due respect, I think that many didn't understand the sense of what you wrote.
From your first post, we thought you said it was copy . Thus fake news (or fake novelty?) was about the brand's work. If you had taken the time to read objectively my answer to your post, you would have observed that I didn't agree with that totally and t...
I talked about the other post, not the company communications - if this wasn't obvious
I read your response and it was closest to what I was thinking about the other news post, therefore don't understand my reply as a critic to what you said - this was not the intention of my reply - sorry. If story tellers compare stories of other story te...
So why didn't you just respond to that post??????
It fuels the discussion, it gets people involved. Everyone on this site is friendly, knowledgeable, and most importantly, MOST are happy to admit when wrong, or if new information is provided. Creating a new, unclear, 'FAKE NEWS' (seriously??) thread, whi...
Clearer now, I indeed understood otherwise.
"I read your response and it was closest to what I was thinking about the other news post, therefore don't understand my reply as a critic to what you said - this was not the intention of my reply - sorry."
once again
opinions accompanied by pseudo facts result to be fake news (story tale, belief, myth), understand this as the most popular definition. TALKING LIKE THIS IS AGRESSIVE BEHVIOR!!!!!!?????? Both I can find in this news group, and many of you puristi are not ...
Next the fact check
to proof you are talking about pseudo facts, I check the known facts: GF Grande Sonnerie Gran Sonerie (Hours and Quarters) Petit Sonerie (Full Hours) Cathedral Gong self winding for striking mechanism diameter 43,5 mm 16,13 mm high 935 parts 11 security f...
Next the fact check - 2
VC Les Cabinotiers Symphonia Grande Sonnerie 1860 Grande Sonnerie (Hours and Quarters) Petite Sonnerie (Full Hours) Minute Repeater (Hours, Quarters, Minutes) two barrel power reserve system bi-directional manual-winding movement diameter 37 mm 9,1 mm hig...
Next the fact check - 3
if only the base data compared, obviously some differences appear: significant difference in parts (935 - 727) significant difference in function VC e.g. Minute Repeater, 'security functions', manual winding for striking, rotating bezel strike mode select...
Next the fact check - 4
But what about the product in total, the final product. Who VC is targeting as a customer? Who the GF? Both watches have a quite difference in appearance and therefore will appeal quite different people: It feels almost as if you would compare a Rolls-Roy...
Next the fact check - 5
How I came to the impression to compare the GF with a Lamborghini? I guess it was the titanium case, the black dial, the clumsy hands, the white hours - rather 'sporty', isn't it. On top they implemented the ultimate sell trigger USP for GF: a Tourbillon ...
Next the fact check - final
Since (in my opinion) it's obvious you are comparing different complexity movements, with different functions and different architecture and detail concepts and even with different targeted customer groups and probably, due to design language (sporty/clas...
Yes but...
that's not what the original post was about. Piling these data is not more constructive. or proving anything regarding the original post. Again, Brandon said there were obvious similarities that our discussion with people confirmed during the SIHH. Nothin...
Well then, why not point out those facts in detail?
How this ist to understand, it says nothing about it but he is responsible for the design: Please have a look at this interview on youtube, Stephen Forsey stating they start with the GF Sonnerie design on a blank sheet of paper and with an own set of targ...
We are talking about the way you express your point of view
Timeset, Our forum is a place were we can have passionate discussions but always in respect of others' opinions and hence by using the proper tone. To be clear, I don't talk about the substance but about the form . If you want to talk about facts, I think...
Confused
Sorry what do you mean by Fake news? I dont know what is going on, could someone tell please?
The famous:
" My truth" , "Your truth" , " His/Her truth" ; not the objective truth. Cheers Edward
I am lost...
Please explain? For years brands have worked together to develop new calibers, that is no secret... whats the problem and why are you saying this is fake news? Cheers Andrew
What the hell are you guys arguing about????
It seems there are some very strong feelings about something here but the top of the article doesn't go into what it is. For those of us that don't have time to read every post on here, can someone elaborate? Thanks, P
These two brands worked together on this movement. Period.
These collaboration is not the first nor the last. Research well before wasting the bandwidth. Be more constructive. This is not "hey, I found this!, Gotcha!" type of forum. We discuss. You found the similarities in two movements, that's great, but it has...