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Recalling the Nataf-Era designs...
....many of the releases featured case diameters in excess of 44 mm, yet all of the non-Defy Xtreme models featured reasonably-legible sub-dials. Including the good Nataf-era "big case models" together with the current catalog examples you presented, it is clear that Zenith still knows how to design a large-diameter El Primero with a legible dial. I don't think it's a major issue, unless the overlapping sub-dial motif eventually takes the entire line-up hostage. But...isn't this a possibility if the wrong lessons are learned?
I'd guess that the Defy Xtreme series was poorly received because the watches were a bit over-designed AND legibility of the chrono-seconds hand was sacrificed for embarrassingly superfluous text on the dial. Had the watches been perfectly-legible, I think that the community here would have begrudgingly respected that particular model line. I think the three thematic flaws of the bad Nataf-era designs were (i) unrealistic MRSPs (ii) over-the-top design (iii) lack of legibility. Some of the Nataf-era designs were quite good, but I think that might have been overlooked in favour of a complete relaunch of the catalog. It would also appear that design flaw (iii) is being overlooked in order to ensure aesthetic balance. I understand the need to keep case diameter in the 42 - 44 mm range, but I think legibility is even more important, in keeping with Zenith's brand DNA.
My thought is that the overlapping sub-dial flaw is unlikely to show up in the AD and boutique sale figures, as it is not the sort of flaw that is noticed immediately. I propose the possibility that this design flaw will dampen the owner's enthusiasm for the piece once the "new watch phase" is over, which may dampen enthusiasm for the brand when it comes time to consider purchasing a second Zenith. One can make the counter-argument that size counts more than legibility (such that the Neo-Vintage diameter is too small for contemporary tastes), so it's worth debating until internal sales figures bear out a result.
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By: JDowning : January 17th, 2012-09:04
Are these models that were left over from a few years ago and Z thought it could unload some inventory now that it built up some good will? A harsh thought, but actually what sprung to my mind. I prefer that the brand keep returning to its roots and innov...
Overlapping Subdials...
By: jmpTT : January 17th, 2012-13:44
First off, I like the design of the Grande Date Moon & Sunphase model - I think it is the best-looking open dial model of the current offerings, although my absolute favorite remains the Nataf-era version, with its guilloche work on the dials and sun-moon...
Perhaps
By: LouS : January 18th, 2012-04:30
But the legibility problem would largely be solved if the minutes subdial overlapped the hours subdial, as in fact it does on the vintage model. There are two other solutions that Zenith used in historical models that I made an earlier post about: http://...
Design over function
By: AndrewD : January 17th, 2012-15:15
I love the historical colours and dial architecture and the combined moon and sun phase is a nice and unusual complication, but Zenith persists in partially obscuring the chronograph minutes register. They emphasise the ability to accurately measure and d...
Interesting points
By: Rickr25 : January 24th, 2012-20:33
While Dufour settled for a "reasonable" size of 42mm, he complicated things unnecesarily by removing the bezel and making his watches all-dial. So while Nataf's Zeniths were 45, 46.5mm he could get away with it by designing large bezels have having smalle...
Sure it's noticed
By: LouS : January 25th, 2012-04:03
I venture to say that the overlapping subdial issue is the most common issue that Zenith newbies raise on various Zenith fora. But you're right, it won't show in sales figures because there is no way to measure sales lost to other companies. So from headq...
Deep disappointed ...
By: nilomis : January 27th, 2012-07:18
Zenith went back to a time that I want to forget: a) Open dial. b) Overlapping sub dials If they keep going on that direction, Zenith will be "a company that could". Zenith should follow the 2011 line with: a) A movement (El Primero) that "hacks". What is...