Patek Philippe

most know me for being very anal when looking into details/etc..

 

curious to those that have had the chance to fondle a 5711.. what your opinions were...

meing being an audemars person first and foremost i immediately relate it to the royal oak date (not only because they share designers (genta) but because of layout similarities) and because of this i feel the watch would be more "wholesome" without a seconds hand... but i think i can get over that..

 

as far as movement/finishing/other quirks.... what are your opinions on the piece?

please be as honest (and blunt) as possible... i encourage you to voice your dislikes just as much as likes so i can get a true response, rather than biased

nt

Genta disigned the 5711, no wonder I am drawn to it being a huge AP RO fan.   I have been looking at a 5712 and have noticed how similar the brushed finish is to the AP RO.  I find the 5711/5712 both very easy to read with very clean lines.  I really like the 5712 and may purchase one since the availability is easing.

... beside the hands and the brushing of the case, the main common point is how genta succeeded in doing a timeless design.
Main problem of the 5711 is that the 5712 looks so much nicer, makes the 5711 looks dry and boring.
If we want to be picky, the ears on the 5712 have no function unlike the 3712. That can be a weakness if you consider that to reach perfection, the function is the root from which the design can grow strong.
My 2cents

Karim

nt

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until I saw the 5712.

However, its simplicity of the dial makes 5711 less attractive when compare to the dial of 5712...more complicated, less balance, but very attractive.

That's my opinion only on 5711/1A (stainless steel). In contrary, the 5711R gives me different look due mainly to the rose gold case, fantastic dial and hands, and leather strap.

My bottom line is I prefer 5712/1A to 5711/1A but I feel very comfortable to pick the formal and dressy 5711R too.

Cheers

While they look similar, 5711 wears more comfortably than 15300. 15300 however has a better looking movement. Both great watches to have but there is a significant price difference to consider.

  

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What YOU think about it.

Because, at the end, you will be the one to go, or to not go on it.

So the best you have to do is to go and see one in the flesh, and you'll know if it is for you or not.

Can't be less biased.

LOL

Best.

Nicolas

Please do not understand my answer to be offensive - I just want to be honest as you asked for!

I would not buy a Nautilus at all - IMHO these sports watches are not real Pateks - they are just attempts to cover the sports watches segment in the market.

When buying a PP you should chose a real masterpiece like a world timer or a perpetual calender, ...

When you want to buy a sports watch just take one of the wide market offers - there are many nice watches for a fraction of the Nautilus´s price and even look much nicer.

IMO the whole Nautilus line is ugly.

best - Erich

 

Nautilus and Aquanaut are a feeble attempt at a sports watch, totally not in keeping with what made PP famous. As such, there are more of a beginners Patek for a fickle collector market that is getting bludgeoned vlauewise as of late. If you must get a Nautilus, the class act of the whole bunch is definitely the 3710 Power Reserve

 

I don't think Patek is trying to emulate a Rolex sport watch with the Nautilus, but it is always interesting how a Nautilus thread turns to criticism of these models as sport watches.  Also interesting how the thread turns toward criticism of these models since they are not quite a 5070, 5146, or another more complicated or elegant that are so-called "classic" Pateks.

I would argue that the Nautilus is a "classic" Patek.  Been around for over 30 years, a design which has well stood the test of time and only has gotten better.  Anyway, I would suggest discussing these watches in their proper context.  Patek has a good description--"casual elegance."  I would wear my 5711 for just about anything--casual or elegant.  Would I wear it scuba diving?  Probably not--but not because it would not stand up, but probably because I would feel better wearing a $5K watch for that purpose than one that costs $20K.

Great to have a Submariner and a 5146 in a collection along with a Nautilus.  If I could only have one it would definitely be a Nautilus.  Of the line I have come to appreciate the simple and classic 5711 most of all.  Though I would not mind a 5980..........

I think there is a point that the whole Nautilus line is too tame as a sports watch line up.

Then again, so is the AP, except for some of the limited editions such as the Barricello (the original one).

Personally, the most sports-like watch to me are the Rolexes, and they are very rugged, too.  I have no idea how fragile a Nautilus or AP may be, but somehow these are not watches I will wear when I go scuba diving.  Humm, perhaps this is a test (not "the" test, just a test for some of us): a sports watch is something you'd play the roughest sport with, assuming you will wear a watch doing sports, not something that looks sporty.

As a sporty looking watch, however, I think 5711 is better than AP, because AP are too thick.  I choose 5711 because it is clean.  5712 has always looked to me to be a little strange: moon phase and power reserve don't go with the notion of a sports watch (for a start, a sporty person will sooner be dead than have a watch which has no power because of a lack of wrist movement...).

But you can probably discount everything that I said since I do not have a 5711 but have a 5712 and a couple of APs (and more sports Rolex than I need)...

 

 

 

 

 

 

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as displayed in "docbchan's" e-mail above.  In fact, I sold the very same AP in that e-mail and then purchased the 5711.  I found the AP RO to be rather uncomfortable while the 5711 to the contrary is quite comfortable.  It doesn't matter how beautiful a watch is if it isn't a pleasure to wear.

I may be in the minority here, but I prefer the clean lines and balance of the 5711 to the asymmetrical complications of the 5712.  I had had the opportunity to acquire a 5712 instead of the 5711 but turned it down for that very reason.  The 5711 is elegant and understated, demonstrating the notion that less is sometimes more.  The case and bracelet of the 5711 appear to me as one seamless design; the 5712 less so.  Some people who have responded to your e-mail find the entire Nautilus line to be "ugly," irrespective of the model.  While I certainly do not share that view, these differences of opinion reveal very simply that beauty is in the eye of the beholder, as the adage goes.

The one drawback of the 5711/1A  with which I do concur is that it is not really a "sports" watch.  If you want to wrestle with alligators, buy a Rolex.  If you want to have an elegant steel watch that you can wear with a sportshirt and trousers or even a suit, then the 5711/1A is worth considering.  Those were my considerations before purchasing the Nautilus, and I am very happy with my choice.  And, although the PP movements speak for themselves, I should note that it keeps perfect time.

Good luck.  The journey is half the fun.

The 5711 will keep you excited from the moment you walk into tilted Kilt, until our cute little waitress brings your third sprite, then you will tell me how boring the watch is and the search will be on again. Face it Riley, you are Mr. catch and release. The Jumbo is your true love and the PP is just a distraction for the time being. In all seriousness I much prefer the 5712 as I hate cut outs in the dial and I think the date leaves the dial unbalanced.

I have and love many Pateks that being said the ULTIMATE Sport Watch for me is the NEW VC Rose Gold Black Dial Chrono on bracelet with interchangeable strap & deployant. 42MM Stunning craftsmanship and good value. I wear it almost everyday. The Nautilus is a far cry although I do like the ones on strap. I'm with Mathew if I'm wering a Patek it's a 5070 or 5146 bracelet piece.

that´s why I really like the Ref. 5711 and love the Ref. 3700.

3712 & 5712 - the dial is just to busy for me. The cal. 240 is great, but I would prefer it in another watch.

Anyway, I love this kind of subjective "discussions". LOL

Oliver

since in the PP forum.. but i cant help that..