Patek Philippe

I need to make a decision to choose between 5070P (list price) and 5970G (market price), can someone help me to make the decision? My intension of buying either of this watch is mostly for collection and then a little bit of investment........Which one should I choose and why??

Oscar

Even though you have expressed an interest in my 5970G, you should buy the model that you like the best and not be concerned with investment value

Basically said tongue in cheek.
I can never understand these posts. Some one willing to fork out close to 100k on soem strangers say so.....
Go figure
Julian

Do you want to end up with a small fortune, then spend a big fortune as an investment in Pateks. Buy what makes you smile. If you are looking for "value" then imo a Patek model which you can buy and keep for several years, then sell for what you paid, that is a good value when buying any watch. btw, if anyone in this forum can prove I am wrong, then speak up. Let's hear your words of wisdom. I consider the 5970 P as the ultimate watch in current production. If I were in a position to spend the amount of $$ your writing about, the 5970 P is the bomb.

I can't afford one now, but have been collecting antiques, seeded with an Aunt's collection, coins,  clocks, now snooping around the watch industry.  I didn't realize that the markup is 100 percent.  But that's normal for luxury items including antiques.  When buying antique furniture, the first question that i ask is "how much will it cost to make one of these (a new one)) in ten years?"  In the future, will these watches become prohibitively expensive  to hand finish like they are doing now? I'm not an expert.  So you guys can answer those questions.

If I could only buy one, it would probably be the 5070P, with the idea that I also still would have $35K or so in my pocket.  You probably won't use either 5070P or 5970G as a daily wearer, so you could put the extra $ toward a 5980 and you will have an ultimate pair of Patek chronos..... ).

 

I would guess that both 5070P and 5970G will turn out to be good investments.  Most watches are not "investment grade" so you get lots of answers on threads like this critical of this idea.  But  as far as any watches might be nvestment grade, these could be two of the better ones.

 

I also think that in the long run the 5070P will be harder to find than the 5970G, so if you have the chance to get one, I would go for it.

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Thank you for the advise, I think I should not say "investment", I probably meant which one will be more hard to find in the future, (more rare). I already have the 5980 and 5960P......

What I think about the 5070P, it is very nice but compare to the price in different material like rose or white it is big difference in pricing,( about 35k) I don;t know if worth it....what do you think?

On the other hand, I saw the 5970J list price is 120K and 5970P is 135K, that sound more reasonable.........but I don;t know if 5970P will be available for people like me..........

oscar

If you have the 135k then buy it

Julian

"People like me" meant the AD will tell me I am on the list and even take deposit but will never see the watch.

Which one do I prefer.

" Collectible " refers to others opinion, while your pleasure is very personal, ansd at the end you will be the one to wear, to live with your watch.

With the collection you have, you can go on both of these PP, as you already own 2 Chronos, you can complete by adding the 5070P, or by choosing the 5970, which will open the door the anither complication.

In each case, you can't be wrong.

Best,

Nicolas

 

If your looking simply at a rarity factor, then the 5070P would take that category.

However, sorry no offense to existing 5070P owners, but I find the 5970 a more beautfiful watch.

I love chronographs, have owned several, but when in doubt, I tend to go for aethestics and additional complications.

So, no surprise, the 5970G would be my pick....hands down.

 

Good luck.

Arthur.

 

 

and I do hope I'm wrong, many Patek collectors seem to care way too much about how rare this particular metal /dial is
in a particular watch reference, so they should get that one.
This is one thing I really do not understand. Why bother about getting a watch in a metal much lesser than its sibling (eg,5070P) just because
it's rarer in its metal and dial? it's not that it has any special movement or any intellectual bit in the merit of the watch.
And it's mainly because of this that I stay away from Patek for a while and sold all my Pateks and my 5970G several times (and I never mark up my 5970G when I sold).
I eventually bought another 5970G at much much higher price only because I'm glad that 5070P, 5970P and at one point, 5960P, have taken the unnecessary attention from it.
And most importantly, I think it is a classic and I honestly no longer feel embarrass wearing a 5970.
It sounds snobbish but I assure you I'm not.
But at one time, wearing a 5970 is like sporting a new stainless steel Daytona on the wrist. It feels awkward.
It made me hates that watch. Glad that it's over now
I'm telling what I really feel and I hope it doesn't offend some of you.
Lovesss,
CL

Arthur--tell me about that strap.  Is it navy blue?

 

Here's a couple more shots , trying to capture the deep Navy blue color of the strap, and how it picks up the blue of the moon-phase (lighting wasn't the greatest):

 

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Cheers,

Arthur.

 

 

 

 

 

 

I'm awaiting my brown strap with interchangeable pin from Camille
*CL

As usual you have impeccable taste.  Enjoy that beautiful combo.

nt

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would if i had the money be the 5970, i love the way it looks and it has a complication that i like in it, no offence but i have never understood the hype and look of the 5070, the casing feels a bit big.

The 5970G

I would love to own that watch anytime over a 5070.

Arthur, thanks for posting once again photos of your stunning watch.

for your kind words.

However, I've been posting too many pics of the same watch, and will now give it a bit of a rest.

Hope all goes will with your 5940, BTW, a simply stunning watch!!!.

Cheers,

arolex

Arthur

There are several things about the 5070 that I don't care for.

1.  The arabic numerals on the dial, some of which are cut off

2.  The case seems oddly proportioned--width to height

3.  The case is a bit large at 42mm unless you have a large wrist.

4.  The wide stepped bezel is not as interesting as the concave bezel found on the 5970

What I like best about the 5970 models.

1.  Case size is perfect in my opinion at 40mm

2.  The contrast of the charcoal grey baton markers and hands on the G model are spectacular

3.  The beauty of the manual wind movement with chrono function is outstanding

4.  The classic look of the dial layout

5.  The concave bezel

6.  The vintage look of the lugs

Best Regards