Patek Philippe

I am no expert on Patek Philippe, but I am wondering what the PP aficionados here think of the 5098P within the context of the Patek collection.  Is this a well regarded model?  For those of you who have bought it or considered it and then passed, what do you think? 

(stock photo from Patek Philippe press)

Please share your opinions with me, if you will.  I am interested in all aspects of this watch: movement, design, shape, history. 

Thanks guys.

respo

This message has been edited by respo on 2010-02-11 07:16:35

First, I think the watch is stunning, the dial, hands, case...beautiful re-creation of a reference produced long ago circa 1920.  That being said, I think there would be others who would opt for other references before the 5098P particularly if you did not own any other Pateks.  If you did own several other references though and wanted to add a different style, then the 5098 is something to seriously consider.   As to the movement, seemed to be some controversy regarding whether it was a new rectangular movement or a modification of an existing movement.  My decision to acquire the watch however would not be heavily influenced by the movement (it is a Patek after all) alone as the style of the watch is the feature which would be desirable or not.

and I think the price for the Pt is pretty expensive compared to the gold version.

I am not a fan of the shape of dial or the slightly oversized numbers.

I would much rather go for the 5124G 

I have a feeling that the 5098P is not for many diehard fans of Patek, which is probably why it appeals to me.  To be honest, many of the PP designs do not do it for me evne though I respect the brand and admire their watches greatly. But for some reason, the 5098P really does cause an emotional response in me.  But as you can see I am seeking wisdom and perspective from others who know the brand much better than I.

Thanks for your thoughts.

respo

The 5098P is pretty expensive, even for platinum, especially when compared to its brother the 5124G, which is slightly less than half the price.  And I wonder if anything special is done with the mvoement that is essentially the same in both watches. 

As for size, is the 5098 really any smaller than the vast mah=jority of PP watches.  It seems right in line with their other watches in terms of size.

respo

I guess I had heard that there was some "controversy" regarding the movement.  Actually what's inside is important to me, but I am not so concerned that it is a rectangular version of the 215 (if that is true), but I do wonder about the difference in the movements between the 5098 and the 5124G.  The former has the 25-21 REC and the latter the 25-21 REC PS.  The latter movement has the additional sub seconds indication, but is the movement finished better on the 5124G than it is on the 5098P --  enough to justify the extreme difference in the cost for the two watches? I have a hard time believing that the platinum case explains such a large price differential, especially when you consider that the 25-21 REC PS would appear to be a more complicated movement.  Is it that the 5098 is chronometer? (At least I am assuming it is given its name.)

respo

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It is rather small and I don't even have a big wrist. Other than its aesthetic value -- I do know people who absolutely love it -- I feel there isn't anything going for it, ie no complications at all, etc. At its price, I can think of a dozen other watches, PP or not, that I'd rather buy. Sorry.

The 5098 does not seem smaller than most of the other watches in their lineup. So, if one is comfortable with the size of PP watches in gneral, I am not sure why this one would be different. 

But you are right, it is "simple" watch without complications. That is, in fact, a lot of its interest for me.

But I wonder, perhaps I should start saving for  Kari Voutilainen (if I am ever so lucky)...

Thanks again,

respo

Hi,

I love this watch although I prefer the pink gold version.

I find it perfect in every aspect, and love the calibre. Even if it's a re-shaped 215 it's much more beautiful and reminding calibre 9.90.











I don't find it small personnaly.



Cheers

Dje

I had a feeling you would bring up the new PG version.  It is beautiful, but the look o it is entirely different to me than the platinum, and for me it is the platinum that speaks loudly.

As you may see above, I don't get the size issues on this watch as it seems similar tomost other PPs, it is the shape of teh watch that is distinctive compared to other PPs. 

As you may also see aove I do wonder about the movement, mainly because t is esentially the same movement as in teh 5214G, although the latter adds a sub-seconds inditaion, so it is more complicated than the 25-21 REC, right?  So, is the movement in teh 5098 finished so much better or even at all better than the one in the 5124G to justify the cost differential?  Or does the platinum case justify slightly more than twice the cost for the 5098P?

For me, the 5098P is a very dressy, "simple" watch, in some ways a definitive dress watch but with something extra due to the shape, the gorgeous dial, the font style, the rectangular movement.  It seems to me atypical of PP, although I realize it recalls an early 20th-century design from the brand, somehow not entirely in keeping with the current collection, but that is perhaps why it speaks to me so much. 

Thanks for posting some gorgeous photos of that gold 5098 -- she is a beauty.

respo

Hi,

My last pic was with the platinum one!

In fact the calibre finish is the very same.

The extra cost is I guess justified by the platinum case and the guilloche dial.

I love that watch.

Cheers

Dje

a beautiful watch, i would choose a different one for my first PP......

Cheers

But this is likely to be not only be the first but also the only PP for me.  The probelme for me, is that while I admire Patek Philippe for many reasons, I nonetheless find very few PP watches compelling, and the several that I do, with the excpetion of the 5098, are not a possibility for me right now. 

Well, just thinking about it for now.

Cheers,

respo

I would advise you caution.....

Go try on your options and do not rush your decision....

Having an idea of the ones you like you should also try the Nautilus line either steel or wg....

Another option would be 5124.....

Enjoy the research and the options that you have as it is one of the great things when you are out to buy a new watch....

Cheers

and I will follow it.  I will not be proceeding hastily.  Just kind of pondering it for now.

I have indeed tried on the 5124 and the Natutilus line -- although beautiful, neither for me.

And yo are right - the reasearch and the search itself are the best part.

Best always,

respo