Patek Philippe

5204p all the way. 

All the way.......

I realize my post is not exactly responsive to your interesting question, but personally I prefer 5004P to 5204P and I prefer 5970G to 5270G. The combined price of a  pre-owned 5004P AND 5970G is not too far off the price of a 5204P.

Best,

patekova

 

 

This message has been edited by patekova on 2014-01-14 15:30:59

Can't really see how the two pictured can be compared... They're both amazing watches but one is obviously far more expensive and with an added feature that adds substantially to the movement. Having said that, based on pure aesthetics I'd take the blue 5270G but under any other consideration I'd take the split or even preferably, as mentioned by @patekova, a 5004 + a 5970

A special piece for sure. 

nycbrose,

Interesting that for most responders, the issue boiled down to either the dial colour or the pusher shape.

All that R&D and engineering angst and finally, people go with their heart.

In that case, I choose the "white" one   

The additional seconds hand helps, of course......

Regards,

MTF

That's what makes the responses so interesting. So the perfect piece for Patek to make would be a blue dial 5204P=)

Eventually the new model blue dial 5270G will make it to a lot of ADs.  However it is going to be rare to see a 5204P at an AD display, unless someone cancelled on an order as it is a true application piece.  If money was not an issue, the 5204P for sure.  But since the price of the 5204P is nearly twice as the 5270G, I might have to think again.

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Why get the 911 turbo if you can get the 918?

If your AD has no buyer so far for them put them on hold, fly to Geneva and see if you can get an even better deal, ehermmm: a more complicated Patek in the

Patek Salon.

If you think that is a bit too much hustle: the 5204, of course.

 

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Moritz 

Can you literally walk out with a 5208?

To me it appears times are a bit "difficult" again for high end pieces.

Hence the offer from your AD, hence the alterations of the 5270, the availability in AD's windows ... .

I might be wrong but I would try to get the 5208, 5950, 5951 in the Salon.

There is nothing to loose and you will have a nice trip.

Moritz

Why is it so expensive vs the 5204? Is it the smaller size?

Yes, the price is significant higher but you also get a lot more if you are not only counting complications. You already mentioned the smaller size. Yes.
Both movement represent a different approach of watchmaking. One is high-level serial production and one is comparable to what you can maybe expect from some outstanding independents. But on top you get it from one of (for some THE) the best houses of fine watchmaking. One is for the afficionado with deep pockets and one is for the connoisseur ...

If there is no big difference for you, you can safe a lot of money

If there is a big difference for you, well that´s another story ...

Cheers,
Oliver

... it is a single monopusher chronograph, which is very understated.

And Patek is the overlord of understatement.

As the 5951 movement is based on the original 5959 movement it is very likely that it is also treated as such.

The remontage, twice assembly of the movement, is quite time consuming and therefore costly.

Lange and Soehne is doing it with all their movements, btw.

 

The 5204 is already a high end Patek and a collector's dream.

The 5951 is a collector's nightmare: you know you want it but you struggle with the price .

 

A 40% price increase in only two years shows that Patek can ask what ever they want for their watches: people pay it.

 

 

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Moritz

"Lange and Soehne is doing it with all their movements"

Yes, but most of them are much bigger and that helps a lot, to make things easier. Especially if we talk about 5950, 5951 or 5959, there we see a total different approach of very classical (Swiss) watchmaking at its best.

Also you have to look in the tiny details. A long time ago there was a dedicated comparison between Lange and PP movement finishing by Walt Odet. One has a more obviously beauty, at least to the non professionals.

I am travelling to SIHH and therefore more details now.

Oliver

Hi Oliver,

I know that one cuts corners, sometimes.

You are absolutely right to mention the size: Patek movements are always slim, which is traditional.

 

Have a great time at the SIHH.

 

Moritz

I don't think it is quite that easy is it? You may well be able to see a fantastic array of rare pieces, but can you actually walk out with them?

Blue, for me.

5204 hands down. If you could afford it I would take the split seconds. It's more than just the dial color. It's the entire movement of the watch with that chrono pusher on the crown. The only thing left after that would be a minute repeater. I would take a 5970 over the blue 5270. But the 5204 is in the larger case so is easier to read and feels better on the wrist. Good luck and it's great to have such choices, enjoy the moment!!!!