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So, you see, I still didn't see the light...
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Nicolas This message has been edited by amanico on 2014-02-17 10:09:41
They so make a fine watch. They so have a rich and stories history. But in the modern age I think Lange rivals PP in terms of innovation and craftsmanship.
The world best watch brand? Never. One of the finest, maybe.
So, you see, I still didn't see the light...
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Nicolas This message has been edited by amanico on 2014-02-17 10:09:41
Nicolas! mon ami, you have not seen the light???
Aie, aie, aie!! Caramba!
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Francois from Down Under
The jury is still out…
I am waiting for Patek to fix my brand new but faulty annual calendar before answering.
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Stan
This thread is bound to get some traffic.
I did, at one time, believe Patek was at the apex of the industry ... the cat's meow. I truly felt no other brand could do what Patek did, no one built a watch to the level of Patek Philippe ... but that was thirty-three years ago and I was biased because I was a dealer at the time and wanted to believe it to be so.
I believe it has been within the past 10-15 years my opinion changed. Do they make a fine watch? Without question, but there are a number of other brands who possess the capability of producing fine watches.
So. if we dismiss the history, auction results, and hype built around the brand and just look at watches alone, I think it is clear there are other pieces being made which certainly are comparable or exceed those of Patek. They just haven't had the ingredients of success Patek has enjoyed ..... yet. But, they are there and nipping on their heels, doing things Patek isn't or won't ... taking a chance on an idea or vision. And some have produced not just fine watches, but great watches.
Is Patek the best? They are among many of the best.
Very much in accord with your thoughts whit!....
and there is going to be a lot of traffic....light!!!
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Francois from Down Under
I discovered they are the best watch co. during my factory visit & lunch with Mr. Stern
I wonder if you still would say this if you also visited other manufacturers ? [nt]
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A very interesting comment.....
.....you state that it was during a factory visit and at lunch that you discovered that you felt that Patek was the best watch manufacturer. What happened over this very short period (1 day?) that led you to think that?
Yep....
.....for it to be a "road to damascus" type of experience....i would really like to hear what happened....what Aussie saw, what was said etc etc
Not sure about "the road to Damascus" thing ......
right now! Well, perhaps with more salad
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Francois from Down Under
Lange gets my vote
They so make a fine watch. They so have a rich and stories history. But in the modern age I think Lange rivals PP in terms of innovation and craftsmanship.
"hockey pucks"
Well, some like it that way. For sure it doesn´t really fit to the approach of classical Swiss watchmaking, but they are German ... 
Still there are quite a few Swiss Made hockey pucks, as well.
Oliver
Still there are quite a few Swiss Made hockey pucks, as well.
Oliver
Yes, of course, there are made especially for....
people with poor eyesight, like myopia, these kind of things
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Francois from Down Under
Hockey pucks? Aren't hockey pucks these black....
round, thick and heavy coaster like thingies that hockey players push around on an ice rink? Didn't get it, I must be myopic!
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Francois from Down Under
True
Lange watches are big and tall. Hamburgers, hockey pucks, macaroons...not something one could comfortably wear on your wrist and under a sleeve. There may be beautiful craftsmanship and innovative design but big and bulky wins no prizes. These are, after all...wrist watches. Why not buy a Panerai or GP 48mm wall clock, I mean wrist watch instead.
Patek may not be perfect, but they come close. Ok, let's not talk about the new dial on the 5270. The company understands that its customers are refined gents who appreciate a grand complication that can be worn discretely.
Yup, no s/s nor rubber straps watches.
That is the reasons why I put Lange over PP, plus only about 8000 pieces per yr. vs 30,000 pieces for PP mechanical watches.
In current times...
They have competition, but my visits to the museum and salon (2nd floor) on Saturday wowed me. Most of the modern high complications are never seen but in photos, but to see them all in one place was mind blowing.
Hi Dave, for me to see Patek Philippe Museum....
in Geneva is also mind blowing!! ........ as it should read Musee Patek Philippe!!!
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Francois from Down Under
"world's best"
What means best to you? What are the defined criterias behind that statement? Is it based on one point of view or several? ...
For me there is nothing like a best brand, because I don´t like that kind of generalizations. It is for marketing people and "fools" only. The latter quite often believe that each single piece produced by "the best brand" is outstanding & superior. Well, life seems to be much easier as a fool ...
But I agree I had such sentiments/thoughts as well, a long time ago with less (good, outstanding & bad experiences on so many different levels)
Oliver
For me there is nothing like a best brand, because I don´t like that kind of generalizations. It is for marketing people and "fools" only. The latter quite often believe that each single piece produced by "the best brand" is outstanding & superior. Well, life seems to be much easier as a fool ...
But I agree I had such sentiments/thoughts as well, a long time ago with less (good, outstanding & bad experiences on so many different levels)
Oliver
Ooops! I am very late! I have not yet realised......
Did I miss something? When and where was this announced? It is a very good and prestigious brand which used to make delightfully nice, elegant and extremely well executed time-pieces. Once upon a time.
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Francois from Down Under
Maybe...once upon a time
They might have been 15 years ago but their lack of innovation and their constant re-hash of old designs and concepts has left them in Lange's wake.