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Agree Casey

 
 By: Quan : February 16th, 2022-02:31
The composition in itself is the basic "frame", but internal to that, lines and space can create a mood and/or set an atmosphere that enhances the viewing experience.
Plus sometimes there is surprises "catch" during the click as bonus to that frame......this is just me ....maybe

If we pay attention to our composition history...

 
 By: cshimokita : February 16th, 2022-07:15
and/or look at a lot of photographs, I believe we do a lot of the "framing" subconsciously... as well a discover what works and where the "problem" areas are. It's still nice when someone makes a clear statement. Casey .

I am, naturally,

 
 By: AuHavrePro : February 16th, 2022-03:38
in total agreement with your sentiments here. Framing effectuates a crucial, major difference in how we all process images, whether consciously or subconsciously.This is the exact reason why my own preferences and tendencies were heavily affected by just a few people overall. Those were the people whose idiosyncratic artistic and technical taste was so subjectively strong, that I couldn't help but become consumed by their visual presentation, and most importantly the subject matter they were writing about, colored by their world views and beliefs. I would say, the single most affecting visual concept in photography and cinema that I felt inherently connected to is negative space. Behind this would be a de-saturated natural color palette (or occasionally monochrome), and the famous Dutch angle smile. Thanks for the interesting thread! Filip

Use of negative space and the range of the colour palette are great techniques...

 
 By: cshimokita : February 16th, 2022-07:26
I just watched a YouTube video where Quentin Tarantino named his top 20 films... Tarantino has collaborated with cinematographer Robert Richardson... the latter having won the Academy Award for Best Cinematography three times (JFK, The Aviator, and Hugo). Casey .

I haven't seen that footage....

 
 By: AuHavrePro : February 16th, 2022-08:28
It would surely be interesting and entertaining. I respect Q.T. fully for his total artistic integrity. With that said, his movies are simply highly entertaining live-action cartoons to me. I never took anything significant and certainly not personally affecting from them.... I've seen most of them once and that was pretty much enough - the hyper punchy, snappy dialog only has that 'shocking' effect the first time wink. Cheers, Filip

Would have to agree. Also, the frame suggests to the viewer that the image is worth a look. Gives it importance, if you will.

 
 By: Echi : February 16th, 2022-04:13

It always surprises me how little effort goes a long way in this area...

 
 By: cshimokita : February 16th, 2022-07:36
Setting up the shot for sure, but also taking a few short minutes to to polish the image. I have gotten into the habit of aligning, processing, and cropping my phone-camera images on the device, then brutally deleting the original(s). I love to share photos over a coffee or after dinner and feel somehow obligated to present the images in the best light 😉.

Casey

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Isn't that a photographer's thing? I mean a photographer sees like a photographer, with a frame. I try to see things ALSO like a photographer, I am learning. ;)

 
 By: amanico : February 16th, 2022-07:38

Nico... IMHO it's not really a photographer's thing...

 
 By: cshimokita : February 16th, 2022-14:47

The process of taking photographs and looking at photographs are two different skill sets albeit that a photographer has the advantage of looking at a lot of photographs.  To be a good critic, in most cases, does not require that you are a hands-on expert in the given area.  Bob Uecker was never a good baseball player, but had a fantastic career as a baseball announcer 😉

Casey

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Good! Food for thought!

 
 By: amanico : February 16th, 2022-14:53

Hi Casey 🍻

 
 By: Stoikos : February 16th, 2022-14:41
Thank you for your thoughtful post. I’d say that, without framing/a point of view, the beautiful and mundane that surround us each day remain as ‘nature,’ without the intent that mutates nature into art…. It seems to me that art requires the framing/editing/selection/storytelling layer of artifice. 

Thanks Stoikos... 👍

 
 By: cshimokita : February 16th, 2022-15:04

Art (as defined by Oxford Languages) is the expression or application of human creative skill and imagination, typically in a visual form such as painting or sculpture, producing works to be appreciated primarily for their beauty or emotional power.  The 'definition' seems a bit incomplete, but taken in context etc.

... your point is well taken 👍

Casey

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Just watched Bob Dylan in Masked and Anonymous and the "Frame" came into play

 
 By: cazalea : February 17th, 2022-04:51
Throughout that movie, now that I have seen it for the fourth time I think. Even though it's now almost 20 years old it seemed strangely applicable to the events of today.

In one scene Penelope Cruz says "You are just seeing the squashed bug on the windshield! You have to look around the bug or you will miss all of the rest of the world going by..."

Mike

Great quote Mike...

 
 By: cshimokita : February 17th, 2022-05:28
when I used to work at a residential home for emotionally disturbed youth it was one of the conversations starters... put a black dot in the middle of a blank piece of A4 printer paper and ask then what they saw. I have to check out that movie... Casey .

Mike: just watched the full movie... what a cast...

 
 By: cshimokita : February 17th, 2022-07:14




Val Kilmer and the rabbit scene

 
 By: cazalea : February 17th, 2022-13:28
Mickey Rourke the new ruler, John Goodman (preparing for his role in O Brother, Where Art Thou as the cyclops/Big Dan?), Luke Wilson, Bruce Dern, Jeff Bridges, on and on it went …

No bug on my windshield this morning ...



I never frame with a camera. Ever.

 
 By: EinPA : February 18th, 2022-00:55
I know exactly what I’m taking before I take it. I know what is interesting for me and what is not.

That said I do this for a very specific scale. I don’t think I could say that for macro photography
Also action photography. For those I try to capture as much information as I can and subsequently see if anything hits me. But that’s not framing either, it’s just saying the world in stop motion and looking at it the same way I’d look at a still life. Maybe that’s what he was talking about.

One might broach the topic of framing...

 
 By: cshimokita : February 18th, 2022-05:23

by discussing the decisions on what to include in the given format, be that "17.3 : 13.0" or "24 : 36" or whatever, but I hear you regarding what might, to some, be considered the punctum & studium of a photograph.

When I look at a photograph such as "The Game" (Feb 06, 2022), there is that tension that might be accentuated because of the image container - or not.

Beside being a film director, Abbas Kiarostami was also a photographer... unfortunately I am not familiar with his still photography...





All that be as it may, it's always the photographers choice on how to approach his or her craft.

Thanks for your thoughts and experience on the topic of framing...

[Edit] Remembering Abbas Kiarostami (Link)

Casey

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Another way to look at it would be

 
 By: EinPA : February 18th, 2022-15:19
Is the framing something that happens in post or pre processing. Prior to digital photography framing was overwhelmingly pre processing.
And I imagine this is still the case for videographers due to some technical limitations that medium faces (and here I think it shades the statement of the person quoted).
Digital is interesting because for someone like me it allows the quick collection of data with the idea that I will organize it later. This has the inherent advantage of “hit and run”. I still need to know what it will look like and understand (like a diamond cutter looking at a diamond) exactly what I can get out of it, but it allows me the freedom to grab the data and go. So for me photography is just a capture medium to express what I see and how I see it.

Yeah...

 
 By: cshimokita : February 18th, 2022-21:35

For me, part of the process when I am shooting still images (film or digital) is to work out in my head how / where I am going to use the results and possible post processing alternatives.  That process normally done pre-shot and/or while looking through the finder... always subject to adjustment for surprises during post processing.  Having taking some "street" training, in part, it's a matter of looking forward as something interesting is / might develop...  I guess that's fairly basic 😉

Re: "and here I think it shades the statement of [Abbas Kiarostami]".  After years of putting it off, I have started to dabble with short video clips... very simple at this point.  Not sure if anything will come of it, the short term purpose being to understand the technical processes and to help a friend set up a channel. It's probably an understatement to say it's different from shooting stills 😉

Casey

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Very interesting thoughts on framing.

 
 By: amanico : February 18th, 2022-06:08

It makes sense

 
 By: Jurry : February 19th, 2022-09:50
We humans tend to look for context and relativity. A frame provides one of not both.
Compare evidence photos in criminal investigation. Often there is a measurement tape with the evidence photographed to provide scale and thus context.
Even our naked human eye provides a frame due to the max angle at which we can see plus our left and right eye sight overlap to provide depth of field.
Hence the frame is provided.

But it’s very cool to have it spelled out so clearly. It makes you think about what you see and thus what you photograph.

Thanks for sharing this inspirational quote

An interesting take for sure

 
 By: EinPA : February 19th, 2022-15:55

Thanks for the comment Jurry

 
 By: cshimokita : February 19th, 2022-21:21
I get selections from "Le Cinéma World" in my social media feed... it's how I found the quote from Abbas Kiarostami... as well as a few of his still photographs from a google search... an interesting individual. Casey .