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I can just imagine...

 
 By: patrick_y : June 4th, 2012-10:31
Chucking softly in a public area.  


I am a little surprised that ...

 
 By: AndrewD : June 4th, 2012-15:41

... American English hasn't changed the spelling to audiofile for clarity.

Poor salesman! I hope you were gentle.

Andrew

"Audiophile" is pronounced . . .

 
 By: Dr No : June 4th, 2012-15:46
. . . with a hard 'i' Stateside, but this guy was trying to come off as a sophisticate.  

Failed miserably, I might add . . .    

"The Art..." is correct...

 
 By: patrick_y : June 4th, 2012-10:44
"The Art of War" by Sun Tzu, along with "The Prince" and "The Art of War" by Machiavelli, are universal in sales, strategy, and business environments.  

The problem with all of these self-help books is that customers always behave distractedly, differently, and do not follow a specific protocol and often have no etiquette themselves.  Without having read this book, I cannot judge the effectiveness, but I doubt that there is a way to fully forecast the customer's behavior.  In Chess, there are so many moves possible at any given time.  In a sales conversation with an erratic (erratic if they're not planning on buying something, just killing time) customer or with an eccentric customer (a strange customer who does plan on acquiring a piece) these customers do not adhere to any rules and have an infinite number of unpredictable moves.  

True acquirers develop their own tastes, all they need is someone to facilitate the transaction (a salesperson with personality, product knowledge, and the ability to connect with at a certain level) and to enjoy a relationship with for future transactions.  Superlative customer service and a keen understanding of their preferences is what they want and expect most.  Suave selling by the salesperson with the great touch never works, very few repeat business, as the customer feels taken or manipulated and is often too embarrassed to return.  

Then again, I'm not an expert, so this is my two cents.  If after reading this book, one could become an expert, that would be something!  

Regardless of my thoughts for such books, thanks for pointing this book out Andrew!  It's nice to see what the latest published tactics are...  

Different approaches

 
 By: AndrewD : June 4th, 2012-15:36

Not quite the latest sales 'tactics', Patrick. This handbook was published in 1982, but I guess human psychology doesn't change too much. smile

I agree that customers don't always follow their own 'handbooks', and different approaches work better on different customers. We certainly see that on our day-to-day interactions with people as well. But I also think that readers of PuristS and other horology sites are quite a self selected customer type and respond to somewhat different approaches - generally we want access to product, information, and an understanding salesman. But reading the various suggestions in this Handbook, I can see some of the strategies that I have encountered walking into dealers. And no, I don't believe they have ever worked on me. smile

Regards

Andrew

The Magical Number Seven

 
 By: marcelo : June 4th, 2012-10:50
en.m.wikipedia.org ,_Plus_or_Minus_Two This message has been edited by marcelo on 2012-06-04 10:53:21

Here's the magic

 
 By: marcelo : June 4th, 2012-11:33
http://www.musanim.com/miller1956/

The link above is not working.

It is really about technique in selling...

 
 By: mrsnak : June 4th, 2012-17:23
...and these techniques are quite effective. It's more about how convincing the sales person is using them, and how well he or she bonds with the potential customer during the process.  The science behind effective car sales and time shares is even more daunting.

I don't blame or think any less of a salesperson that uses these "rules" to help him try and hone in on what I (or any customer) might want, it's all about the delivery and how well I think he or she is listening to me.

I must buy a copy! It's not that I wish to sell...but to know how I bought.

 
 By: bernard cheong : June 4th, 2012-17:42
I am a guy that has a weakness..I can't say no.

You might like this additional quote:

 
 By: AndrewD : June 4th, 2012-18:50

This is my favourite quote from the book, Bernard, but perhaps it cuts a little close to the bone. smile

“Give the customer arguments that he needs to justify his choice to himself ... and to justify his choice to others.”

almost everything in there is redundant and does not work on me

 
 By: Hororgasm : June 4th, 2012-19:20

neither does smooth talk and sweet sales ladies. my top 3 sales persons are all either underweight or overweight unattractive middle age men. since this book was written, there have been three big trends - 1) rise of internet sourced information on the 3Ps - Pricing, Promotion and Product, 2) massive increase in prices leading to increasing number grey dealers and parallel importers, and 3) rise of brand owned boutiques reducing the need cross compare brands and makes.

interesting book still, basic skillsets never change, whether selling watches or fishes.

best,

Horo

 

The playing field ...

 
 By: AndrewD : June 6th, 2012-13:55

... has definitely changed, Horo. Once the Authorised Dealers were the only source for these pieces. And we were at the mercy of the salesman. And it is also true that we have 'educated' and 'collected' our way out of the typical customer mould. But the psychology of dealing with customers face to face still largely holds.

Great comments. Thanks!

Andrew

Very Interesting

 
 By: Nicko16 : June 5th, 2012-04:17
A bit Machiavellian in the sense that the end justifys the means for the salesperson in getting you to buy the watch

That's true but ...

 
 By: AndrewD : June 6th, 2012-16:05

... the best salespeople try to understand your needs and tastes and guide you to watches you didn't even consider. That has opened my eyes a couple of times. But it's rare.

And what I have appreciated from salesman is a balanced discussion of the watches they are selling and compatison with other pieces in the horological world. That is very pleasant and often leads to me wanting to buy a watch from them!

Andrew

selling dreams

 
 By: jfsuperior : June 5th, 2012-06:25
Here's a link to a video presentation by IWC's CEO, George Kerns, who illustrated the art of selling luxury watches.

www.youtube.com

Best regards,
Jack Freedman

But isn't it rare when the seller knows more

 
 By: emcquillan : June 6th, 2012-23:20
than you about a selected piece? Don't you give them the look? The look that says "save your BS for the next customer thank you". I like to go in informed with very few targets. Having said that, as soon as Brand X manufactures a timepiece that makes me smarter, taller and better looking I will be the first to buy. Actually, my wife will buy it for me. Bonus. This message has been edited by emcquillan on 2012-06-06 23:21:22

Smarter, taller and better looking?

 
 By: AndrewD : June 6th, 2012-23:40

I thought that was why we bought these things?! smile

Like you I usually visit dealers with a specific agenda and I have done my 'homework', but there are also times that I just want to see what's new and interesting. So I am happy to learn and be 'guided' by the salespeople. But of course very few salespeople live up to our expectations - in fact I can count that number on the fingers of one hand! :-(

Andrew

Like any product, art or machine

 
 By: emcquillan : June 7th, 2012-00:00

I think we buy because they invoke emotions. Maybe it's just me. Value is a factor but a relatively absurd term for the hobby or luxury goods in general. Today, with so much literature at our disposal on every model conceivable rarely do we learn of something unknown and new once in production and available for sale. My only recent fresh experience was the devon tread this past winter. I agree with you that good salespeople are rare. The salesperson who sold me my first JLC was a true gentleman who knew his products inside out wink. I always think of him fondly and he was a true professional. Whether he read the training manual or not, he was sincere and passionate about watches. Your post makes me appreciate him more. Thank you for the interesting post. Best regards,

Interesting Andrew

 
 By: 41northpole : June 8th, 2012-08:40

I think most of that hasn't been applied to me before. (not knowingly anyway)

I find the most interesting visits to watch shops usually end up with long conversations about the technology behind manufacturing today.  Some of the best conversations have been in London surprisingly, (a lot of places in London have been so negative to customers in the past, in my experience)  Certain shops and chains really do seem to train their staff well, including visits to the factories.  A conversation about column wheels, escapements, and even recently sapphire glasses have all been great fun.

These conversations do not often result in a sale to me, but will certainly make me consider using that place to purchase in the future.  I visit London occasionally, being from the frozen wastelands of Northern England, so it is also great to see many of the 'unaffordables' shown in these pages from time to time

 

Regards

 

Tim