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Please, let's not be quite so hard on each other

 
 By: cazalea : April 21st, 2013-07:57
It is true that we make claims for our watches that we might not be completely able to sustain empirically, but some of the observations you make in return are a matter of taste and not measurements.

These sorts of comparisons and resulting reactions just get our backs up and serve little purpose.

I just went back and reviewed my multi-part review of my (then) 11 Grand Seikos called A Gaggle of GSs.

Having both a GO and Patek (albeit "minor" ones) I would not have said that the finishing on either of them  is "equal" to the other, or to the GSs.

But I would say the GSs vary greatly in finishing quality and detail, and the best one or two of mine are equal to any other watch I own.

Although I didn't do it for the comparison review, in the past I was happy to take mine apart for inspection. 

I found a few rough edges on the rotors, and plenty of non-beveled edges on the plates.

I'm not sure I'd do that now though, having learned how important (and sometimes difficult) casing and resealing a movement can be.

Performance-wise, they keep great time. Value-wise - they are certainly "worth the money" if any mechanical watch is ...

Cazalea


















These pictures were taken 8-9 years ago when digital cameras were not so good.... This message has been edited by cazalea on 2013-04-21 08:08:11

Thanks Mike, I posted some more "evidence"

 
 By: Ed. W : April 21st, 2013-10:19
but your photos are still some of the few (if any) pieces of real life photos of the movement.

Evidence for my case

 
 By: Ed. W : April 21st, 2013-10:16
In JLC, I did of course not meant their grande complication watches but rather calibers like the 899 or even the 859.
Glashutte cal 39 is really quite similarly finished. I've attached a photo of a cal 39 and 859 which you can compare to Cazalea's photos.

The case is forged, here is a link to KIH's articles about the VFA and Patek which mentions it: 

There is very little anglage on most basic level movements from JLC, and IWC as well. Sometimes there will be a rounded matte finish (as is on the caliber 975) but I don't personally find a round matte finish any more appealing than a sharply cut straight edge. If you read part 1 you will see that there is perlage on the mainplate (a new feature of the 9S6X calibers) and laser engraved GS on the brushed dial side.

That type of dust (2 barely visible at 10x) is IMHO acceptable, this is a conversation that's been had a number of times and there's no need to beat a dead horse here. A review of the patek caliber 215 from the old Purist's site in fact found a fiber in a jewel.








This message has been edited by Ed. W on 2013-04-21 10:26:21

Here are a few new GS photos for evidence

 
 By: cazalea : April 21st, 2013-15:57
I apologize for the poor lighting. What's good for the technician is not necessarily good for the camera!

We start with this one. Nice dial, hands and markers.



Typical GS back with gold medallion inset in the case.




Caseback from the inside




Yes, this is quartz and I think very nicely done, too.




Why finish this so nicely (beveled edges on holes) if you didn't care a great deal. This is a 5-10 seconds A YEAR movement.




Now to the mechanical movement. I took this watch by random out of the GS pile. It's about 6-7 years old and worn occasionally.




I love the screws with o-rings. Their length should have warned me that it's a sandwich case but I was a bit surprised when suddenly the bezel was laying on the pad.




Gives us a chance to get a good look at the dial and hands and case




and the movement. Sorry, no dial-side view - I am not pulling hands for this discussion.




Bezel and domed crystal are o-ring sealed on the outside, plus the o-ring screws




A look at the dome (and yes I put the ring back in where it belongs)



Done




Enough of the bench. Let's have some real life shots:









No the crowns are not pulled out, these watches are running together (at the moment...)





This message has been edited by cazalea on 2013-04-21 16:00:36

Thanks for the photos, it's interesting

 
 By: Ed. W : April 22nd, 2013-00:08
to see the gold medallion from the inside, looks like it's no longer glued/cemented like the vintage pieces.

Great review!

 
 By: Mostel : April 21st, 2013-12:25
Thorough and candid, like a real review should be. 

Great pics!

I have the blue dial GMT LE on bracelet. It has become one of my  most worn watches. I love the domed crystal too! I agree it would be nice to see more of the movement, however, I had a GS with a trans. back with this movement, and while it is excellent, is not so mind blowing at full view. This is not to say it lacks finish or excellence, but to my eyes, it is MORE interesting with the blue rotor. Maybe I'm jaded with movements. 

The case and steel bracelet are among the very best I have ever worn. The bracelet HAS to be compared to a Daytona for silky, supple comfort.

For the money, it's a joke how great these recent LE's are.

BUT WAIT! There's more! We haven't even talked about the dial! I am telling you Purists, this is one of the single most stunning deep blue dials I have ever seen. Everything about it. The markers are like individual sculptures that catch light brilliantly. Highly legible even in low light--instant classic everyday watch. 

THE GMT HAND in soft, matte gold is a supremely fine touch. I was wary of a gold hand. It is understated and very artful against the exquisite blue dial.

The bezel on mine is another really outstanding piece of craftsmanship. For an everyday steel sport watch? Right there with my 1st gen Rolex LV for me, probably, frankly, much nicer... but a man's fave Rolex holds it's special place. 

I can imagine for some, it may wear on the smaller side. At 40 mm, it wears like 39... but for me, somehow that emphasizes it's Japanese origin and feels right with its design features, curved Seiko case etc.

Here's a pic by Jessica. (good pic, but does no justice at all!)






This message has been edited by Mostel on 2013-04-21 12:27:24 This message has been edited by Mostel on 2013-04-21 12:29:16

I was debating between the two actually

 
 By: Ed. W : April 21st, 2013-15:20
but I still think that both are superb pieces. The sport version has a less cluttered dial which I like, but I preferred the zaratsu polished case. 

Thanks for your

 
 By: halkcb : April 22nd, 2013-01:09
succint and comprehensive review---you've captured most of what i like about this watch.
I'm enjoying mine for the past six months and would have liked to see more of the movement through the back.
Unlike you,i'm fairly comfortable with the deployent clasp albeit it's a bit thick.
I thoroughly enjoy looking at the finish on the dial and the case!

best

henry


Thank you, I wish I could enjoy the nice clasp as you are. [nt]

 
 By: Ed. W : April 23rd, 2013-07:34
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excellent review Ed and a lovely watch

 
 By: G99 : April 22nd, 2013-11:08

i had the earlier version with black dial and really liked it. i have no idea why i ever sold it now as the build quality is superb as is the accuracy.

glad you like the watch and hopefully one day i may get another.

best
Graham

Thank you Graham, you should jump back on the bandwagon! [nt]

 
 By: Ed. W : April 23rd, 2013-07:35
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Thanks for the great review.

 
 By: Bill : April 23rd, 2013-13:26
I like your style daring to sport a nato strap. Which by the way looks pretty good if I may say so.

I will have to dig in a little more...

Thanks Bill