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Excellent points!

 

I haven't driven the Tesla Model S P85D.  I'm very wary about AWD cars because they often lack steering feel. 

Yes, exactly, the Jaguar F-Type is amazing in the way that it makes you feel with their sound, until you take your first cloverleaf on-ramp turn where the back suspension conveys the rear is going to oversteer if you go any faster...  That car just doesn't have a good grip set up.  It has a lot of mechanical tire grip, but suspension angling seems to be not using the entire contact patch.  Totally agree with you on the Jaguar F-Type.  That doesn't stop one hoodied tech kid in San Francisco who seems to drive it in first gear all the time next to Grace Cathedral just to hear the sound of his Jaguar F-Type bounce between the buildings.

Have you driven the current F30 BMW 328i sedan?  That car is so good, so clinical, but so good, it's extraordinary!  Some lack of steering feel, but the chassis is so well balanced, the way the car rotates is sublime.  The E90 BMW 328i had a lot more steering feel, but wasn't as capable nor as comfortable.  I like both the E90 and the F30.  But when it comes to the M3, I so far have a strong preference for the E90 over the F80.  And I have a strong preference for the previous M5 as well. 


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Porsche 991 Turbo S - tighter than I expected, as civilized as I expected...

 
By: ThomasM : May 21st, 2015-01:21
and faster than a bat out of hell up to low triple digits. The low down torque and horsepower are mindbending... What I was most surprised about, though, was how impressed I was with the Bentley GT3-R in terms of low end acceleration - it felt almost as f...  

Sounds like it's a winner...

 
By: patrick_y : May 21st, 2015-12:14
Sounds like the new 991 Turbo S is a winner, at least statistically. But is it as emotional as you expected? Generally, I'm finding the newer Porsches, especially the latest 991 to be very comfortable and civilized. Almost a little too civilized. Like rea... 

New cars are mysterious in the ways they influence us

 
By: cazalea : May 22nd, 2015-09:45
For example, I drove a Tesla P85D last week, kicked it hard a few times, and came away unmoved. I found the car incredibly fast, but it didn't seem interesting to me at all. Is it possible to have an un-involving vehicle that generates great specs but not... 

Excellent points!

 
By: patrick_y : May 22nd, 2015-11:56
I haven't driven the Tesla Model S P85D. I'm very wary about AWD cars because they often lack steering feel. Yes, exactly, the Jaguar F-Type is amazing in the way that it makes you feel with their sound, until you take your first cloverleaf on-ramp turn w... 

Faster than a 458 Speciale !

 
By: bimbeano : May 22nd, 2015-10:38
That just one part of the story ! Fabulous car ! Filip

Agree the "specs" are just one part of the story and...

 
By: ThomasM : May 23rd, 2015-15:06
if it came down to a face off and personal choice for a "driver's car" I'm not sure which I would pick but I suspect it might not be the obvious one by numbers... But I don't have enough "seat time" yet in the TurboS to make any meaningful comments as I d... 

Other 'people's' words often give you ..

 
By: bimbeano : May 24th, 2015-02:31
.. a lot of insight ... but then a lot of 'them' love the Golf R and after testing it myself i really did NOT like it .. :-) But then you should see the grin on those people's faces whenever they try out a Clio RS or a GT3RS , that's when you start thinki... 

King of the road as they say...more pictures please. I test drove

 
By: Clueless_Collector : May 22nd, 2015-15:18
a 2012 911 Turbo before and it was so loud with engine sound and road noise that the sales and myself had to shout to talk :)) Definitely I want a car that is fun, fast to drive but with some comfort. These newer 911s definitely nailed it. Rgds Raymond

The drivetrain "music" was actually pretty muted inside the cabin on this one...

 
By: ThomasM : May 23rd, 2015-15:09
and one really didn''t hear the exhaust so much as the intake (and intercooler, according to the owner) On the other hand, I drove behind the car on the freeway as the driver tipped in the throttle (he later told me no more than half throttle) and it soun... 

Something special about a Porsche.

 
By: JerryW : May 22nd, 2015-21:35
I bought my wife a 991 Targa 4S and was thinking if she did not like it, all would be good in my little world but she loves it. I know it is not a turbo but I am impressed, the car does everything quite well, I would be quite happy having one as a daily d...