SJX : You also have a mighty impressive Patek collection. Can you tell about some of the highlights of your Patek collection?

Patek Ref. 5004 in white gold with less common baton markers dial a la 3970
Owner: I have a few others but would like to single these out due to the history associated with these pieces upon their acquisition and subsequent usage, I would have to say that my 3970, 5004, 5101, 5970, 5980 are amongst my most cherished Pateks.
Each has their own story to tell and I vividly remember how I got to the point to get each one, the approximate time of day, whom I was with, where I was. Each pickup was a truly magical experience.
The 5980 I got news of it when I was in a hardware store trying to find a screw for a chair. The guy manning the cashier couldn’t understand how a guy was getting so emotionally happy over the phone buying a screw.
The 5101, I was driving and my mobile rang. I picked up the phone and my favorite AD was on the line. He said, “Your candy has arrived.” I replied, “Which one?” Needless to say, I almost slammed into the car in front of me when I heard what it was. That was after a relatively long wait of about a year.
The 3970 is my most sentimental. It was my first serious complication by Patek. Have seen it in magazines only and thought it was nice but not a must-buy. Only when I saw it in the metal did I fell head over heels in love. When I got the call to see the watch, it was night time and I went to the shop with my wife. I couldn’t decide right then since it was a huge amount for me at the time, and since that my prior exposure to Pateks were only the annual calendars. After a night of tossing and turning, I called the guy first thing in the morning; to date it is still one of my favourites. I’m already on my 3rd strap for the watch, having worn out the first two.
The 5970 was another one. It originally was to be given a pass, since less than 6 months before I had just gotten the 3970. When I saw the pictures at Basel, I said to myself, I liked the 3970 better. However, once I saw it in the metal - after getting yet another call from my favourite AD - I saw what it was and could be. A fine complement to the classic, slightly formal 3970, the 5970 in my mind suited my casual lifestyle even better. No second thoughts on this one and haven’t looked back ever since. I almost backed out of it owing to some supposed problem on the chronograph mechanism as discussed on the Purists but when I saw it all restraint went out the window. I also picked up a white gold version not soon afterwards. And the white gold is due for a strap change soon too.
The others like 5712, 5070, 5196, 5065, 5800, 5146, 5059, 5140 etc are nice to have and use but not as special as the ones I highlighted above.

Pisa Datograph, Ref. 5004, Ref. 5970 and Double Split

Movements of Ref. 5004, Double Split, Glashuette Original PanoRetroGraph, Ref. 5970 and Pisa Datograph
SJX : Both the Double Split and 5004 are possibly two of the best modern rattrapante chronographs, between the two, which is your favourite?


Patek Philippe Ref. 5004G and Lange Double Split platinum
Owner : I go with the 5004. Why? Again, fairly or unfairly, I attribute it to me favouring a watch based on the feelings I get when it is used and strapped on, in addition to the feeling I get when I hold and look at them.
I chose the 5004 primarily because lurking underneath the sedate look of a Patek perpetual chronograph is the extra hand that puts this watch amongst the highest class of haute horlogerie. Almost like an M5 without the badges, mildly blending in with the general populace when tooling around in traffic. That knowledge is a very powerful aphrodisiac, an extreme confidence booster. The subtle protrusion of at the crown is the only indication that this is no ordinary perpetual chronograph and is like a shared secret between me and the watch. All of that leads me to choose this one over the Double Split, but just by a hair thin margin.

SJX : You are clearly a fan of Patek but yet you have some frustration acquiring certain Patek models. The brand says the reason for the scarcity of its watches is due to production constraints. What do you think of that?
Owner: I would tend to agree that due to their high quality control, I imagine that they would encounter said production constraints. Having said that, their recent attempts to identify qualified buyers of their high complications by noting the buyer’s past purchases and current collection seems to be skewed; that is alienating Patek fans - myself included.
Why is it that legitimate enthusiasts of their watches have to be subject to this sort of classification, sort of a profiling? No problem if they let us know exactly what they want or prefer [in terms of buyer profile], but they don’t. 100% of all my watches are purchased with my name on the certificate and from 2 of their more recognized ADs only and as such, have never paid anything over list price.
An article in their magazine did seem to say what they seem to be looking for [when selecting clients] but an acknowledgement of the letter to the factory [requesting a particular watch] is the least they can do. For after all, we are not asking for free watch but to buy it with our hard earned money.
As such, I am sad to say that I am pretty much fed up with the brand and am happy to have encountered higher horology in the watches of the AHCI members. It is indeed very refreshing to buy watches from people with soul. This allows us to share in their vision of what watches can be. A trait Patek used to have but seem to have lost - at least to this former enthusiast of the brand.
SJX : So now you are moving on to the more esoteric stuff from the AHCI, any watchmaker in particular you’re a fan of? Are there any other non-AHCI brands that have caught your fancy too?
Owner: I am very fond of Kari’s work, his Observatoire amongst his other pieces truly give meaning to a watch with soul. A watch’s basic function is to be able to tell the time and it is also a very accurate one too. Of course, the excellent finish is something to behold as well.
Vianney’s Antiqua holds a very special place in my heart as well since it was my first serious piece from AHCI. [Buying it was] a leap of faith without ever seeing one in the metal, having just from the pictures, as well as listening to Dr Bernard Cheong raving about it. That was enough to convince me on it. Absolutely no regrets. Well, actually one: I should have gotten another one for my wife who shares it with me - sometimes too much. Well, she actually shares the Classic with me so…

Vianney Halter Antiqua in platinum
Another is the Roger Smith Series 2. The excellent photos on the forums do little justice to this magnificent piece. Having seen one in the metal, my untrained eyes can see the human side of this watch, the subtle hints of a human touch seen here and there. To others, this might seem a deterrent to buying it but seeing them only enhances its appeal to my eyes.
And of course Philippe Dufour. Again, having only seen this in the metal once, I have no qualms about saying that if I have the good fortune to own one someday, it will be with me for the rest of my life, to accompany me in the incoming vagaries of life as we know it. A keeper for sure. In one word, it is perfect.
Also, Journe. I am quite keen on this brand as well since it does offer a different take on what a classic watch can be. His innovations combined with his flair do show up in his watches and am proud to say am a fan of him and his watches as well.
And Richard Mille. Granted that this relatively new upstart seems to be veering away from where he was a few years ago, I still give this brand and some of the older models a toast. A true vanguard in pushing, extending the limits of how a watch can be used. My wife enjoys the few pieces that we have as well.
And of course the watches of MB&F. I don’t really know if I was attracted to the watches first or the admirable marketing savvy of Max Busser. I have observed from an amateur’s point of view this guy when he was still helming Harry Winston. I immediately liked his style and more so his decision to leave while at the top and forge ahead with his own destiny by leveraging all his personal resources, counting on all his lessons learned while at previous employees and going ahead on pure guts. The resulting watches blew me away. Each model so far has imparted parts of his personality well enough to generate a new legion of fans who are all eagerly awaiting his new creations. I count myself as one of them and am very fortunate to have seen both of his first two creations in the metal and what else can I say… they really are masterpieces with no pretence of attempting to be anything else. An appropriate embodiment of Max Busser’s philosophy.
SJX : You are obviously a discerning collector, you also own the ultra-light ALUSIC RM009 amongst others. Richard Mille watches are regarded by some collectors as being expensive for what they are. Can you tell us your rationale behind that purchase?

Richard Mille RM009 with rose gold Datograph
Owner : I had just started to get into serious Patek stuff by then and was turned on by the allure of the modern take on luxury being espoused by this brand. By this time, I had associated heaviness as a marker of quality in watches. I was enjoying the lightness of titanium in my 002 so you can imagine my surprise when I finally held [the RM009] in my hand.
I likened the rush of wearing this piece akin to the feeling when wearing the Datograph, this time without the weight. I had dabbled in triathlon and cycling before so had an idea of alternative materials and have always appreciated composites. So the translation of that into a watch case, coupled with a tourbillon all combined to make this a no-brainer purchase for me.
SJX : Earlier on you mention the emotional appeal of the Datograph, the rush you get when you strap on one; do you think a watch from an independent has even more emotional appeal since it comes from one person, at least in terms of conception?
Owner : I do get an emotional appeal from wearing an Independent watch. However, am it is more of a stroke or caress, unlike the rush I get from wearing the Datograph. To put it graphically, I feel that I am with a nice simple basic girl when wearing an Independent watch wherein she can accommodate my whims, catering to my idiosyncrasies and moods.
Wearing the Datograph is like a being with a dominatrix, I follow what her whims are, like she is the one in control and I am only along for the ride… Totally different emotions invoked. Suffice to say am emotionally very attached to both.
SJX : A final question on a topic that has been popular on the forums of late. I hear you own a Grand Seiko - can you tell us which one and why you bought it? Where does it stand in comparison to the high-end Swiss and German watches you own?
Owner: I got the one like yours. The GMT steel on strap with cream dial. I don't even know the model. I got it because I had always wanted a GS as I thought it best exemplifies the effort of Japanese watchmakers to get up to the aesthetics of Swiss manufacturers. It stands perhaps a notch lower than the Swiss and German watches only in the finishing department and also perhaps the smaller things which make a Swiss or German watch what they are: heft of the buckles, the smooth caress of their straps.
[Owner is referring to the Grand Seiko SBGM003, a review of which can be found here .]
SJX: Thank you!

Owner's Friday wrist check - AP Royal Oak skeleton perpetual calendar
This message has been edited by SJX on 2008-08-16 07:10:15