Horological Meandering

and I don't mean not just an Automatic movement which requires the wrist movement to get the rotor to rewind it. A watch movement where even if the watch is stationary and not on a watch winder or a wrist keeps on ticking and not stopping. I am not an eng... 

" Atmos is the brand name of a mechanical torsion pendulum clock manufactured by Jaeger-LeCoultre in Switzerland which does not need to be wound manually. It gets the energy it needs to run from temperature and atmospheric pressure changes in the environm... 

Due to the friction inherent in a mechanical movement. The energy stored in the mainspring is used up when moving the gears and the hands. In order to re-wind the mainspring you need an external force to compress the spring. This constant of energy in a c... 

it does need a source of energy to push the rotor to help rewind the mainsprings in a three barrel movement where the third barrel is used to store energy to help push the rotor so that the movement never runs out of power reserve and since it is a time o... 

I wish you all the luck in the work with that.

proposing an automatic movement where the winding of two barrels that store energy to run the movement of a time only watch while it winds down and a third barrel that stores energy to give a push to a rotor that with its weight rotates and recharges the ... 


When the two barrels wind down, some energy is lost moving the gears and the hands. Yet more energy is lost moving a rotor to feed these two barrels. That rotor would have to be over 100% efficient to generate the same amount of energy back into the two ... 

of winding up the barrels up again. Where the 2 barrels are solely for the time only movement, no other complications and the third barrel to compensate for any losses of energy and giving the rotor just a push, nothing more.

We both had the same idea, but he had the skill and know how to make it happen from dated December 12, 2002 " The world’s first self-powered mechanical watch movement has been invented by American master watchmaker Steven Phillips. The mechanism, which h... 

What you were saying, however is very inaccurate. Specifically. ""in a three barrel movement where the third barrel is used to store energy to help push the rotor so that the movement never runs out of power reserve". The movement uses a bi-metallic strip... 

my understanding is the patent had been filed and he was working on the movement but passed away, not sure how many were made or was it completed contact Steven Phillips at the Budapest Watch Co., 1250 Boston Post Road #10, Guilford, Conn. 06437. (877) 49... 

Wanted that watch badly. Too bad nothing ever came of it. Where did the prototype go?

Too bad no watches survived his death.

www.watchprosite.com S

my bet is on Andreas Stehler or Paul Gerber to be able to take on the challenge

here is a very interesting link from our past www.watchprosite.com S

Sorry for being lazy but will just quote Wikipedia Perpetual motion is the motion of bodies that continues forever in an unperturbed system. A perpetual motion machine is a hypothetical machine that can do work infinitely without an external energy source... 

the third one to basically push the rotor to revolve using its own weight to help recharge the 3 barrels

What you're describing is a perpetual motion machine () at the scale of a wristwatch, which isn't possible due to physics/thermodynamic laws. The closest we have in this case is as Nico pointed out, the JLC Atmos which although seems like it's running per... 

to revolve and recharge the two barrels and the third one.

But, it would be nice!

...you would solve all of the energy problems in the world. But you might raise the ire of global energy consortiums and of course they would have to eliminate you. You're gonna need a good exit strategy.

well the movement will be wound up initially so not out of thin air to store energy in three barrels of which two unwind to help run the time only movement and the third barrel is just there to push the automatic rotor so that it can rotate under its own ... 

You're expecting a rotor rotated by one barrel's energy to further produce enough energy to recharge three barrels, which is basically making energy out of thin air

the rotor will rotate on its own because of its weight, it is an automatic movement

This was essentially a reduced size Atmos clock. Here's the patent. worldwide.espacenet.com Regards, Baruch

"This invention comprises the provision of a temperature sensitive element within a timepiece which includes a casing, movement, mainspring and a bi-directional rotation to unidirectional rotation converting mechanism for winding the mainspring where the ... 

Such movement would violate the laws of thermodynamics, since what you are talking about is a perpetual motion machine. If we could make a watch that functions in that way then we would also be able to produce infinite energy. The conservation of energy w... 

there are movements with 2 to 4 barrels which are used for multiple complications which exist today. My proposal is that instead of having multiple complications we can create an automatic movement with 3 barrels of which 2 are used to power the watch mov... 

If you do that you are just subtracting energy from the rest of the movement, since you are creating more friction by increasing the number of interacting parts. All of the energy employed with the intent of making the power reserve be longer would actual... 

This has been a problem in horology for a long time: fighting against friction. Unfortunately we will never beat it, but we can try to minimize it.

I will have a look at it

S

where the mainspring charges a smaller spring that drives the escapement. The small spring is kept at the same tension, only charging from the mainspring when needed, so the watch theoretically keeps better time. One of the smaller high end manufacturers ... 

and a post by the owner " Bought this years ago, not exactly sure why, but I thought that the watch was "interesting". After some deeper research today, this piece becomes a whole lot more interesting. I have included some photos, and some links below to ...  

Hello, I happen to own of of his Guardian ii watches, can’t find anyone to service them, did you find some who can?? I’m Mike

...from this little guy. Evaporative cooling is critical here... ...  

In effect, you'd be solving climate change in one fell swoop. I would suggest studying the difference between stored (potential) energy (think mainspring) and kinetic energy (think balance wheel motion and hand movement). You're suggesting an infinite amo... 

the current power reserves we have on watches is not enough, need to push it further and to the limit

Hello, All If any one is interested in Stephen Phillips Guardian I watch so i have one for sale.

please post an ad for sale with pictures in the Collectors Market www.watchprosite.com #fs:0 Thank You Sir, S

So i did. photos didn't come so good so i will try to edit it. Thanks you

but if the goal is for the watch to always keep time without winding, how about the Ressence Type 2? A brilliant and elegant solution!

Did you sell it?? Did you ever have it serviced?? I have two of the guardian ii watches

In Jocke's recent amazing post he shared a very interesting watch In Jocke's words " This movement is loaded with unique things like the micro rotor have a auxiliary mechanism that stores energy and releases it like a catapult. So it wind the movement ev...  

Have to move some, or the watch stops?

the closest I can think of is the Atmos clock. Best, mahesh.,

With the catapulting auxiliary mechanism that winds the movement

Is still alive.

Wants to live forever.

Eternally rewound by the dreams of those who put more energy into dreaming than winding their watches (he said, as he walked over to smile at his Atmos)

NT