The Parmigiani Senfine? Not yet marketed i think ? Longines Calibre 431 ?

Oct 26, 2017,13:28 PM
 

One of the first was the 1935 introduction by Minerva of a 360,000 A/h movement, Calibre number 42. This allowed the sweep second hand to complete one sweep each second with 1/100 second precision. (from watch-wiki.net )
This will make an impressive list i think. Good hunting !

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Overview of high frequency watches and calibres - contributions highly welcome

 
 By: KMII : October 26th, 2017-11:52
For some reason I have gotten bitten by the frenetic sound and the romantic promise of high frequency watches - i.e. those beating faster than 28.800 vph. I started my journey in the topic with my Eterna Sevenday Fastbeat, which got joined by the Grand Se...  

Rolex used El Primero

 
 By: cazalea : October 26th, 2017-12:40
I guess we should define high-beat ourselves, or should we use the Mfr's terminology? You are calling watches that are faster than 28,800 High Beat, yet Seiko used the term Hi-Beat quite loosely in some instances, when they moved from 21,600 to 28,800. I ...  

That's a fabulous idea :)

 
 By: KMII : October 26th, 2017-12:43
Rolex did use an El Primero but in a de-tuned, 28,800 vph version. And yes, I am talking about faster than 28,800 Seiko was not the only one to use the term in this way, JLC for instance did, too

The Parmigiani Senfine? Not yet marketed i think ? Longines Calibre 431 ?

 
 By: Ron_W : October 26th, 2017-13:28
One of the first was the 1935 introduction by Minerva of a 360,000 A/h movement, Calibre number 42. This allowed the sweep second hand to complete one sweep each second with 1/100 second precision. (from watch-wiki.net ) This will make an impressive l... 

Thought of the Senfine...

 
 By: KMII : October 26th, 2017-13:32
But it's still in prototype stage, like the new Zenith Defy Lab, IIRC. Thanks a lot! Added the Longines in the meantime and the Minerva will follow 👍🏻

Interesting my friend

 
 By: Alkiro1 : October 26th, 2017-12:40
The AP is the Jules Audemars Chronometer with AP escapement. I found the Buren Calibre 82 (5 Hz) Best wishes Alkiro

Thanks Alkiro!

 
 By: KMII : October 26th, 2017-12:44
Do you know of any others, too? You seem to shoot such things from the hip

Well, I’ll try to find more of them 😉

 
 By: Alkiro1 : October 26th, 2017-12:49
Best wishes Alkiro

Here are 3:

 
 By: nomadgiles : October 26th, 2017-13:50
All very different and based on AS cal's, as also used with FL & Eberharfor. The UN was based on ETA as your Eterna. Piaget & Movado also did high beats - but not sure if in house. Citizen & Orient too - a Seiko link? Felca also had a standalo...  

Thanks a lot!

 
 By: KMII : October 26th, 2017-14:09
Will add them. Movado was El Primero, IIRC? And three wonderful specimen you have! 👌🏻

OK...

 
 By: KMII : October 26th, 2017-14:21
Seems that the 3019 was EP, the 405 and 408 were not

The list grows! ;-) [nt]

 
 By: nomadgiles : October 26th, 2017-15:02

That it does :)

 
 By: KMII : October 26th, 2017-15:24
Added a couple in the meantime

Will add it :) [nt]

 
 By: KMII : October 26th, 2017-15:04

Ebel with . . .

 
 By: chippyfly : October 27th, 2017-07:15
El Primero cal 40.0 Clive New in 1989 ...  

Included - thanks! [nt]

 
 By: KMII : October 28th, 2017-00:39

Did you buy it in 1989?

 
 By: rdenney : November 4th, 2017-18:19
The logo sure looks like the 90's logo (note the slight difference with the logo on the example I posted, which also has a Zenith 40.0), but I didn't think the chronograph came with the wave bracelet after 1986, when the 1911 bracelet came out. I'm always... 

GP high beat cals are:

 
 By: nomadgiles : October 27th, 2017-07:21
30, 32, 42.1, 42.4, 440, Ernest Borel had a high beat offering in the 70s too?

Added some more...

 
 By: KMII : November 4th, 2017-00:23
From Breguet and Seiko... ETA to follow

Variations on the AS1687/1688...

 
 By: rdenney : November 4th, 2017-07:47
include members of the Communaute de Precision Horlogere, formed in 1957 at the promotion of Charles Blum of Ebel. They worked together with A. Schild to develop a 5-Hz version of those ebauches (also, I believe, an automatic winder for it). Gerard-Perreg...  

Wow - thanks for that, Rick!

 
 By: KMII : November 4th, 2017-09:56
Glad for all this additional information - will add it to the post above ASAP! The beauty of Puristspro, I guess - the learning never ends

I found a couple more...

 
 By: rdenney : November 4th, 2017-18:07
I did indeed find an example of an Ebel FastBeat with the caliber 215, which is the high-beat version of the AS1687: This was in an auction ad. The Fast Beat also came with the AS 1920, which was only supplied as a 5-Hz movement. We also know it as the Gi...  

You are a star, Rick!

 
 By: KMII : November 5th, 2017-00:31
Have added the Mido, the GPs I did not have and the others that were new. 👍🏻 Thank you so much! If you come across any others...

Added ETA movements...

 
 By: KMII : November 5th, 2017-00:52
But for quite some not yet sure, where they got cased in

Added more Longines calibres

 
 By: KMII : December 22nd, 2017-11:52
- 430: central seconds - 431: central seconds, date - 432: time only - 433: small seconds - 6952: date - 6972: day date

Seiko calls this a Hi-Beat...

 
 By: cshimokita : January 6th, 2018-08:00
It's the "Seiko SUS Military" released in 1996. With a 25 jewel 4S15 movement operating at 28,800 vph based on a King Seiko movement from the 1970s. There were two versions, a black dial (SCFF001) and a silver dial (SCFF003). I understand that 'SUS' stand...  

Several manufacturers used to call 28800 vph watches Hi-Beat at some point

 
 By: KMII : January 6th, 2018-11:28
This includes Seiko and JLC amongst others. Your SUS was part of the return of high end mechanical movements for Seiko in the 1990s and I believe the 4S15 movement was a modern version of the 52 series of movements from the 1970s. And the watch is definit... 

hahaha...

 
 By: cshimokita : January 6th, 2018-15:47
I searched for many years as well... found this one in December 2003 in a small second used watch shop under the tracks in Ueno, Tokyo... I just happened to be wearing it this weekend. Thanks for the additional information ; )

Some further Seiko updates...

 
 By: KMII : February 3rd, 2018-10:39
Courtesy of Erik Strickland 👍🏻

++1! (nt)

 
 By: Ronald Held : March 21st, 2019-13:13
NT

You are quite welcome. (nt)

 
 By: Ronald Held : March 23rd, 2019-12:48
NT