Variations on the AS1687/1688...

Nov 04, 2017,07:47 AM
 

include members of the Communaute de Precision Horlogere, formed in 1957 at the promotion of Charles Blum of Ebel. They worked together with A. Schild to develop a 5-Hz version of those ebauches (also, I believe, an automatic winder for it). Gerard-Perregaux was a member, and their versions of that AS caliber (GP32, 42, etc) famously came in 5-Hz versions, both handwind and auto. Those were mentioned upthread.

But that high-beat ebauche was used by others. Zodiac's well-known calibers 86 and 88 were high-beat AS1687 and 1688, respectively (the 1688 had day and date). These were not just used in the Astrographic.





οΏΌFavre-Leuba, a member of that coalition, used it as their 1164. Eberhard used it as the 257 (I think that's the number).



(Pic from an old EBay ad--I wish I owned this watch)

Doxa called it the 72. Ebel used it as the 215, though I have never seen an example. The one I have seen is an Ebel FastBeat, which used an ETA movement that I do not now recall.

The Ebel Chronograph used the Zenith El Primero, but to correct the above, Ebel called it the 134 (136 with a perpetual calendar module). The 134 was a Zenith 3019PHC in the first three years when they were working from old stock, a 40.0 (Zenith's transitional caliber as they restarted production), and in later years the 400. They used it from 1982 until 1994 (and later for the perpetual calendar models). All of these were 5-Hz (unlike those used by Rolex), but Ebel never really trumpeted that feature.




--Rick




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Overview of high frequency watches and calibres - contributions highly welcome

 
 By: KMII : October 26th, 2017-11:52
For some reason I have gotten bitten by the frenetic sound and the romantic promise of high frequency watches - i.e. those beating faster than 28.800 vph. I started my journey in the topic with my Eterna Sevenday Fastbeat, which got joined by the Grand Se...  
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Rolex used El Primero

 
 By: cazalea : October 26th, 2017-12:40
I guess we should define high-beat ourselves, or should we use the Mfr's terminology? You are calling watches that are faster than 28,800 High Beat, yet Seiko used the term Hi-Beat quite loosely in some instances, when they moved from 21,600 to 28,800. I ...  
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That's a fabulous idea :)

 
 By: KMII : October 26th, 2017-12:43
Rolex did use an El Primero but in a de-tuned, 28,800 vph version. And yes, I am talking about faster than 28,800 Seiko was not the only one to use the term in this way, JLC for instance did, too
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The Parmigiani Senfine? Not yet marketed i think ? Longines Calibre 431 ?

 
 By: Ron_W : October 26th, 2017-13:28
One of the first was the 1935 introduction by Minerva of a 360,000 A/h movement, Calibre number 42. This allowed the sweep second hand to complete one sweep each second with 1/100 second precision. (from watch-wiki.net ) This will make an impressive l... 
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Thought of the Senfine...

 
 By: KMII : October 26th, 2017-13:32
But it's still in prototype stage, like the new Zenith Defy Lab, IIRC. Thanks a lot! Added the Longines in the meantime and the Minerva will follow πŸ‘πŸ»
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Interesting my friend

 
 By: Alkiro1 : October 26th, 2017-12:40
The AP is the Jules Audemars Chronometer with AP escapement. I found the Buren Calibre 82 (5 Hz) Best wishes Alkiro
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Thanks Alkiro!

 
 By: KMII : October 26th, 2017-12:44
Do you know of any others, too? You seem to shoot such things from the hip
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Well, I’ll try to find more of them πŸ˜‰

 
 By: Alkiro1 : October 26th, 2017-12:49
Best wishes Alkiro
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Here are 3:

 
 By: nomadgiles : October 26th, 2017-13:50
All very different and based on AS cal's, as also used with FL & Eberharfor. The UN was based on ETA as your Eterna. Piaget & Movado also did high beats - but not sure if in house. Citizen & Orient too - a Seiko link? Felca also had a standalo...  
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Thanks a lot!

 
 By: KMII : October 26th, 2017-14:09
Will add them. Movado was El Primero, IIRC? And three wonderful specimen you have! πŸ‘ŒπŸ»
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OK...

 
 By: KMII : October 26th, 2017-14:21
Seems that the 3019 was EP, the 405 and 408 were not
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The list grows! ;-) [nt]

 
 By: nomadgiles : October 26th, 2017-15:02
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That it does :)

 
 By: KMII : October 26th, 2017-15:24
Added a couple in the meantime
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Zenith's new Defy Lab 15Hz Oscillator comes to mind...

 
 By: Ornatus-Mundi : October 26th, 2017-14:38
Magnus
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Will add it :) [nt]

 
 By: KMII : October 26th, 2017-15:04
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Ebel with . . .

 
 By: chippyfly : October 27th, 2017-07:15
El Primero cal 40.0 Clive New in 1989 ...  
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Included - thanks! [nt]

 
 By: KMII : October 28th, 2017-00:39
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Did you buy it in 1989?

 
 By: rdenney : November 4th, 2017-18:19
The logo sure looks like the 90's logo (note the slight difference with the logo on the example I posted, which also has a Zenith 40.0), but I didn't think the chronograph came with the wave bracelet after 1986, when the 1911 bracelet came out. I'm always... 
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GP high beat cals are:

 
 By: nomadgiles : October 27th, 2017-07:21
30, 32, 42.1, 42.4, 440, Ernest Borel had a high beat offering in the 70s too?
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Added in πŸ‘πŸ»πŸ™πŸ» [nt]

 
 By: KMII : October 28th, 2017-00:39
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Added some more...

 
 By: KMII : November 4th, 2017-00:23
From Breguet and Seiko... ETA to follow
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Variations on the AS1687/1688...

 
 By: rdenney : November 4th, 2017-07:47
include members of the Communaute de Precision Horlogere, formed in 1957 at the promotion of Charles Blum of Ebel. They worked together with A. Schild to develop a 5-Hz version of those ebauches (also, I believe, an automatic winder for it). Gerard-Perreg...  
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Wow - thanks for that, Rick!

 
 By: KMII : November 4th, 2017-09:56
Glad for all this additional information - will add it to the post above ASAP! The beauty of Puristspro, I guess - the learning never ends
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I found a couple more...

 
 By: rdenney : November 4th, 2017-18:07
I did indeed find an example of an Ebel FastBeat with the caliber 215, which is the high-beat version of the AS1687: This was in an auction ad. The Fast Beat also came with the AS 1920, which was only supplied as a 5-Hz movement. We also know it as the Gi...  
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You are a star, Rick!

 
 By: KMII : November 5th, 2017-00:31
Have added the Mido, the GPs I did not have and the others that were new. πŸ‘πŸ» Thank you so much! If you come across any others...
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Added ETA movements...

 
 By: KMII : November 5th, 2017-00:52
But for quite some not yet sure, where they got cased in
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Updated the Seiko calibres... [nt]

 
 By: KMII : November 20th, 2017-19:50
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Added some additional ones... [nt]

 
 By: KMII : November 28th, 2017-06:29
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Added more Longines calibres

 
 By: KMII : December 22nd, 2017-11:52
- 430: central seconds - 431: central seconds, date - 432: time only - 433: small seconds - 6952: date - 6972: day date
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Updates to Mido and Seiko... [nt]

 
 By: KMII : January 6th, 2018-03:40
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Seiko calls this a Hi-Beat...

 
 By: cshimokita : January 6th, 2018-08:00
It's the "Seiko SUS Military" released in 1996. With a 25 jewel 4S15 movement operating at 28,800 vph based on a King Seiko movement from the 1970s. There were two versions, a black dial (SCFF001) and a silver dial (SCFF003). I understand that 'SUS' stand...  
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Several manufacturers used to call 28800 vph watches Hi-Beat at some point

 
 By: KMII : January 6th, 2018-11:28
This includes Seiko and JLC amongst others. Your SUS was part of the return of high end mechanical movements for Seiko in the 1990s and I believe the 4S15 movement was a modern version of the 52 series of movements from the 1970s. And the watch is definit... 
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hahaha...

 
 By: cshimokita : January 6th, 2018-15:47
I searched for many years as well... found this one in December 2003 in a small second used watch shop under the tracks in Ueno, Tokyo... I just happened to be wearing it this weekend. Thanks for the additional information ; )
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Glad if it was of help :) [nt]

 
 By: KMII : January 7th, 2018-00:02
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Some further Seiko updates...

 
 By: KMII : February 3rd, 2018-10:39
Courtesy of Erik Strickland πŸ‘πŸ»
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Updated with Czapek [nt]

 
 By: KMII : July 16th, 2018-12:57
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Thank you so much for these additions, Giles!

 
 By: KMII : July 17th, 2018-11:15
Included now!
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Added some Parmigiani Fleurier details... [nt]

 
 By: KMII : September 22nd, 2018-08:15
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Added new Zenith calibre... [nt]

 
 By: KMII : March 20th, 2019-23:17
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++1! (nt)

 
 By: Ronald Held : March 21st, 2019-13:13
NT
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Thanks Ronald 😊 [nt]

 
 By: KMII : March 23rd, 2019-03:23
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You are quite welcome. (nt)

 
 By: Ronald Held : March 23rd, 2019-12:48
NT
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