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If Authenticity is the most important factor, then JLC is at the top

 

You certainly know it, JLC provided a lot of movements for an impressive number of manufactures, even for  the most prestigious!

That may be the most important, to me.

JLC has an important History on Diversity, too.

From the most complicated watch(es ) of the world to the simpliest, they do ALL.

Yes, this may be disturbing for some to see that JLC covers quite all what Horology is able to produce, but this is in the D.N.A of the brand.

May we have to blame JLC for that?

I will also have to say that if you have a closer loo to the  lesse expensive watches, lie the MUT or the Reverso Classique, and if you pay some attention to the calibers of these watches ( Cal 846 for the Reverso, and Cal 849 for the MUT), for instance, you will certainly be happy to see that JLC makes very honest, appealing and quite well finished movements...

Even for the less expensive watches.

May we have to blame JLC for that?

Now, do you think that most of the " bling guys " will go on these watches?

I don't think so...As the Reverso or the MUT are too discrete for that.

May we have to blame JLC for that?

Now, if you want a complicated watch, and if you want to see a superior level of finish, you will be albe to find some marvels, like the Duo Metre ( I received several PMs telling me that it was so " affordable " that it was suspect ( !!!!!!! )   ), the 70eme, the Gyro I, II , the Hybris, and so on...

To me, these last watches don't have to get any complex from watches produced by PP, Lange, AP , VC and so on.

I agree that the more affordable JLC may be better finished, but if you consider their tag price, is it possible to do better?

The wide offer, the diversity may drive some to consider that JLC is not  enough " chic " for them.

Personally, when I go on a JLC, I also buy a watch from a Company which doesn't cheat.

And I'm always happy with my purchase.

Nothing is perfect in this world, and it is always possible to do better, but I'm certain that JLC knows it.

So, if the snobs don't want to go ona JLC because it is too popular, or because the offer is too wide, no problem for me.

I love the watch for what it is, not for what it represents.

Best,

Nicolas

 

 

 

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Why Does JLC Get Some Stick?

 
By: ArthurSG : July 12th, 2009-20:54
I posted the following comment in reply to Jaeger92’s thread on the rather amazing Cal 101 and thought maybe I start a thread on the same for discussion and maybe to verify if perhaps there is some truth in what I have heard of JLC from some in the past. ... 

several possible answers

 
By: time2tic : July 13th, 2009-04:45
JLC has been around for more than 175 years has engineered and designed more than 1000 calibres, and has provided famous brands with calibres to equip their watches (although these brands are usually quite about that). the recent incredible masterpieces s... 

Truth be told...

 
By: watchme : July 13th, 2009-10:12
JLC's seldom have service issues, and, when they do, are usually repaired quickly (unlike PP or VC or L&S - which can take up to 11 months - and w/o apology). Remember: level of hand-finishing DOES NOT increase performance, except, possibly, where rubies ... 

Well said Watchme

 
By: emcquillan : July 13th, 2009-13:14
I would add that JLC offers a wide range of complications in stainless steel and titanium unlike PP, Lange and VC. This obviously makes their watches even more accessible to enthusiasts and is something I certainly appreciate. I do get the feeling that JL... 

I agree with your reference of creativity comment

 
By: ArthurSG : July 13th, 2009-20:27
I mean how can they not be with the many creations of late (hybris, triptyque etc) and I am sure in the past.

Depends on the Goals of the Company

 
By: mjnoumoff : July 13th, 2009-21:43
Patek does make some rather incredible movements but as a whole I do not personally find them as innovative and unusual as JLC. One of Patek's goals is to maintain that Patek-aura in even their most simple movements, thereby justifying a price tag of appr... 

Hey, Matt!

 
By: amanico : July 15th, 2009-23:00
Long time no talk, my friend! Hope you and your MC Memo are well! I'm always happy to read your passionate words. Best, Nicolas

I asked the same question of Lambert . . .

 
By: Craig LA : July 13th, 2009-13:18
JLC is among the most diverse haute horology/top tier brands and, IMHO, this is both a blessing and a burden. It is a blessing because JLC has a broad range of lessor expensive watches that generate tremendous revenue for the company -- revenue that JLC c... 

I share your very practical logic pertaining to potential cost management at JLC

 
By: ArthurSG : July 13th, 2009-20:30
And I would have to say that if I was at the helm of JLC, I may not have played my cards to much differently.

Out of all the watches i own...

 
By: pv45 : July 13th, 2009-23:43
...my JLC reverso automatique is by far the most accurate, with maybe the odd 'one second' deviation in daily rate (if at all)! To me that speaks volumes on the quality of a JLC movement - it was also one of my least expensive purchases. My other watches ... 

knowing your customers is also key

 
By: time2tic : July 14th, 2009-01:32
just want to react further to a particular port of the initial post: ----- Even more so, it should also help to perhaps better posiiton JLC as a manufacture that should be known more for it’s movement research, design and expertise? After all, the C... 

If Authenticity is the most important factor, then JLC is at the top

 
By: amanico : July 14th, 2009-07:35
You certainly know it, JLC provided a lot of movements for an impressive number of manufactures, even for the most prestigious! That may be the most important, to me. JLC has an important History on Diversity, too. From the most complicated watch(es ) of ... 

Nicolas, I was wondering when you would chime in :-)

 
By: ArthurSG : July 14th, 2009-08:06
Just came back from a break? I agree with what you have said. Like I said, I just wonder why, despite all that has come out of JLC past and present consistently, JLC has gotten some stick and not more recognition of its contributions instead.

Yep, wmclaren...

 
By: amanico : July 14th, 2009-14:31
Just came back form a magnificient wee end in family, and my connection time was a bit limited... But I had time to think about an answer! Best, my friend, and thanks a lot for a very interesting thread! Nicolas

Well said, Nicolas

 
By: respo : July 14th, 2009-11:10
I particularly like your example of the cal 849 of the MUT. It is an extraordinary movement, perhaps the best ultrathin movement available for many years from ANY brand, JLC's response to one of the "big" horological challenges, and yet it is presented in... 

Perfect

 
By: tbh : July 15th, 2009-05:04
This captures my thoughts too - very well put! The extraordinary imagination and passion that JLC has, and captures into its watches (and clocks!) is what has me always say that the brand I most "get" is JLC. I can't imagine another manufacturer producing... 

Very....

 
By: MiniCooper : July 15th, 2009-08:30
well said Nicolas I do not think one should add anything else Cheers

Actually....

 
By: MiniCooper : July 15th, 2009-18:52
I would like to add this: I read somewhere that in every watch you will find a little JLC inside. JLC has provided parts, technology and knowhow to many companies. for example the famous double date by Lange was developed by JLC. True, JLC may not have th...