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Philosophy or Humility?
Does it really take us to philosophy? or to good manners, proper language and humility?
May I quote Ilja? "the entire chapter about the E858 is plain non-sence, picturing a franken watch. Congratulations. It should read E856 ...." And which watch is then used as an illustration by Ilja: a Gübelin retailed E856 Parking IpsoVox.
However, despite this very affirmative message and severe judgement, we were given both an example of a Gübelin retailed E858 Parking IpsoVox and a scan of a Gübelin catalog where is E858 is displayed. As I own the catalog, I would like to precise that is was printed in 1966.
It is now clear that Ilja's sarcastic congratulations were uncalled-for and his statement about the E858 Parking being a "non sense" is just ... wrong. End of the story.
If I step back, I consider that collecting watches is a continuous lesson of humility. Especially with Jaeger Lecoultre.
It took years to find the first strong evidence that dauphine hands were also correct for the Geophysic Chronometer. Recently, I discovered that there had been at least one E875 Memovox in ... white gold.
I don't know if this is a philosophical view, but I like this one: "The more I learn, the more I realize how much I don't know."
Coming back to the subject, I would like to add a minor contribution with my rose gold Parking Memovox as this watch made for the French Market had a very specific elegant case with thiner lugs and (unsigned also original!-) crowns.
The Memovox Parking, or how to save money when you buy a watch
Let's fly back to ... 1958. This year, JLC wanted to celebrate both 125th year of the " La Grande Maison " Birthday, and its creator, Antoine Lecoultre. To fulfill this purpose, JLC released several watches, and among them, one on which the Brand communic...
Oh I need that!
I don't get a lot of parking tickets. Haven't gotten any for the past twelve months. Knock on wood. But I'm always in fear of getting them. I never knew this watch existed. A beautiful watch, a sensible idea, and a compelling marketing campaign. Thank you...
You can also use it for important phone calls and meetings.
This is a very smart idea, I must say, and a lovely Watch, too. Thanks for your feedback, my friend. Nicolas.
Love it.. Love it, a lot !.. Love it, indeed.. Thx for this review - superb ! :))
.. I bookmarked this post already, goes to my " alltimes".. [I will come back later , maybe tomorrow or so, with 1 or 2 humble pics..] Thanks so much, for this magnificent share - nice, funny and pretty cool, as well ! :) :) Best, my friend, hs
The Memovox Parking is one of the best vintage Memos on the wrist, IMO!
Love this watch! It's a Memovox, it's a Jubilé watch and it's beautiful - what's not to love! Thank you for a wonderful post, Nicolas. Best Blomman
Wow!
You should do you 'reviews' with due diligence, the entire chapter about the E85 8 is plain non-sence, picturing a franken watch. Congratulations. It should read E856, same dial as ref 3161, 3 piece screw back case. Here a Gübelin retailed E856 IpsoVox st...
AFAIK, non-signed crowns were the norm in 1958.
AFAIK, non-signed crowns are the norm in 1958. The JL logo was introduced in literature around that time, and crowns were signed on most models released only afterwards. For example E853 was born with non-signed crowns in 1957, and so were the 3159, 3160 ...
well
The signed vs. unsigned thing is not correct when taking into account at least 2 Parkings within the a VERY close (aka in between) range of case/mvmt serials, compared to others without signed crowns. The claim is a claim not a fact. Sorry. The E858 is no...
To complete the theme, a 3161 in gold.
And yes, the E 856 also had a Parking dial. Here, yours, from the photo session we had in 2010: Best, Nicolas ...
Thanks for your invaluable contribution, Ilja. Clavi will appreciate to read that his 858
is a frankenwatch. :) And as for the unsigned crowns, this has nothing to see with a prophet's point of view, it is just a fact. But if criticizing my reviews with such a virulence serves you as a therapy, it is fine for me. ;) All the best, Nicolas
sure
Just 10 cases (serial number-wise) away from your shown ref. 3161 - an example with signed crowns is known, as a couple of others as well, but still claiming this 'unsigned' bs a 'fact'. Sure mate. ;-) As for the E858 vs. E 856 this 1965 catalog page spea...
no time to argue today
I am at work in London, won't enter into an argument, but will just share a picture, thanks to Marv ...
Well …
… this takes us directly into our philosophy class: What can we know? ;-) So let us start with logical reasoning: Clavi’s point could be: As there was a Gübelin Ipsovox Parking E858 manufactured by JLC, there also must have been a JLC Memovox Parking E858...
furthermore
it is usefull to get a limeline established: Gübelin catalog date, case and movement serial of both Memovoxes. Divergency of observed LeCoutre vs. Jaeger-LeCoultre watches. Seeing a calalog pictured Gübelin Parking Ipsovox is a great boot, thanks Clavi. A...
Philosophy or Humility?
Does it really take us to philosophy? or to good manners, proper language and humility? May I quote Ilja? " the entire chapter about the E85 8 is plain non-sence, picturing a franken watch. Congratulations. It should read E856 .... " And which watch is th...
Absolutely delicious specimen, Marv. Can we know more about it?
About Philosophy, I much prefer yours. ;) Good to read you again, Marv. Best, Nicolas
It seems that this parking was only produced for the French Market
I don't know much about this watch, except its elegant case was made in France with lyra lugs. It came in very nice condition with its original gold buckle - same marks on the bucke and caseback. There is one vintage catalog with the exact same model, ref...
I know this catalog, I think this is one of the rare I own.
All the others being trusted by a certain Swedish... ;) Thanks for your answer, Marv. See you soon? Nicolas
So?
1) What can we conclude from the mere fact that there has been a Gübelin cataloge picturing an Ipsovox E858 Parking? Right: that there has been a Gübelin cataloge picturing an Ipsovox E858 Parking. Nothing more, nothing less. Not even that there has been ...
Thank you for your nice words!
Hey blomman, I am never far behind :-) By the way, congratulations for your nomination as GP moderator. This is a promising brand with many past and present marvels to be discovered or highlighted. I have heard that the market of GP vintage documentation ...
GP is indeed an interesting brand! :)
Thank you, you should come visit us over at GP some day - I have already uncovered some... Will post more vintage posts soon! :) Best Blomman
An intriguingly practical design. Love it!
By the way, are JLC still making their basic model alarm wrist watches like the ones you showed in the pictures? All I can find now are second-handed.
No, there is no Memovox Parking in the current collection, Luis.
There is the Master Memovox, and there were, a few years ago the Memovox Tributes To Deep Sea Alarm and Polaris. But no Parking... Best, Nicolas
Would love to see it...
re-released, but without the "P" and blue box. I love the count-down markings. So practical. -Dean
clarification on alarm:
Great info Nicolas! It appears this alarm works like a "countdown timer" up to 2 hours. I am guessing that the parking watch and other alarm/memovox models utilize the same alarm function based on the position of the Hour hand? I would like an alarm based...
The Parking is not a different Alarm. It works like any other JLC Alarm watch.
The difference is the decoration of the alarm disc, which makes it maybe a bit easier to read and use. The alarm index is not set to the hour hand. It is on a disc that you can move via the upper crown. And you can set it to the minute, or almost. As it i...