I'm now looking between the 5127, original & the 001 as a keeper & quite honestly, winding down on my passion for this hobby. Yes, James Bond did say, Never say, never again....& I don't know if that will ever happen. Having said that, I've na...  

which VC Patrimony you are talking about - Contemporaine or Traditionelle? Which metal and dial are you interested in? PP 5127 is nice and a classic, but I would prefer the 5107P with the black dial. VC Patrimony, the Traditionelle with automatic movement... 

Hi Oliver, The VC Option which I was looking at was Patrimony Contemporaine 85180 with date. In both cases, PP & VC, Yellow or Rose Gold with white dial. Regards Mally

Greetings! I think both of your choices are very nice, but of the two I would choose the Patek. I currently own dress watches by both Patek and V&C and have a great respect and appreciation for the quality of these 2 brands. I think that from your cho... 

Your comments are most helpful. Actually, I was initially inclined to the PP. I guess the best way would be to try both on & go with the one which appeals the most. Regards Mally

<iframe width="960" height="720" src="/" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe> Full review of my 5127R on YouTube in HD: Enjoy!

Patrimony for the looks and the Heritage of the Vacheron Constantain ( 260 years) .

I've tried on several iterations of the Patrimony at an AD in Geneve, and if you're in that great city - and see the prime location (an island!) of the VC manufacture in that old and watch wise city you get an idea of how historic and respected the VC bra... 

Unfortunately , I am staying and working in kuwait , the land of camels ,the desert . Due to their beduin roots , people here are ignorants . They don`t know patek philippe , vacheron constantaine , audemars piguet .They just know rolex ,cartier and chopa... 

I've felt your pain. Believe there's a small ALS and Patek boutique attached to the Hilton? complex. I left in late 2010 and there was an ALS then, with a "coming soon" Patek sign on a vacant store property. But yes, I believe gents in the Middle East lik... 

I`ve got no choice bro, I have to survive and keep up with the camels ( sorry , I mean kuwaiti people ) . However , easy living ( no tax ) help us to survive . :) Did you get your Patek Philippe ?

Just bugging Patek ADs where ever I go - trying on different models to get a feel for which I want to acquire. I was a civilian contractor out there with the Air Force and was happy to escape with most of my sanity. The money/tax advantages/savings was go... 

xxx patek is the only super brand in the watch world. just my opinion. cheers geross

The only other house that could approach Patek's Calatrava is perhaps Lange with their Saxonia Automatic Outsize Date. That may check some of your boxes...

several mind-blowing independent is just BS...because PP is so SUPER according to you. PP has a terrific heritage and have made and continue to make superb watches, but to say they are better than some of their competition is not true. I think in many way... 

The PP is 37mm and the VCs I guess are 40mm. That's a big difference to me. I would opt for the 37mm all things being equal and a PP over a VC.

not sure if its replacement is worth the extra-premium and I know PP made a big deal about the hinge for case-back which took them 2-3 years to develop. I like the VC a lot. I prefer the date at 6 o'clock. I think it gives a watch better aesthetic balance... 

kpk! I agree one hundred percent. Either one is elegant. Recently someone on this forum pointed out that watch collecting is a journey. Get both of them , buy one and in some months or years buy the other one!:) Regards Edward

that makes me want to live a long life so I can continue to dream about and if I'm lucky, acquire, my most loved pieces.

watch collecting is very personal. There is never a correct answer. But you can always narrow it down to 2-3 brands / models depending on what you are looking for. Mally, if you can let the date feature go, you will open up several other terrific options.... 

The no date would be a no no for me. Pity that they no longer do a Saxonia with date. I also think that the 5127 is a bit more charming and well..you can't go wrong with a Patek.

It is indeed an outstanding all rounder - ideal to take a step back and reflect. There is simply nothing wrong about this watch and the size is very classical. Unless you have a big wrist I su spect that this will fit you better than the VC. I am not sure...  

and many others make these two statements - "You cannot go wrong with a Patek" and "Patek is more prestigious than VC." The former statement - Yes you can go wrong with a Patek. At the Haute Horology "entry-level", Patek is nothing great compared to a VC ... 

That Patek is different and more prestigious. Now I understand and I agree with what you wrote about Lange but the simple truth is that Calatrava is and feels very different than 1817, Richard Lange or Saxonia. It is a much more mature line and recognised... 

reply. You raise points that are hard to argue with. I am from India and PP is not available here. Maybe because they feel that most Indian buy watches overseas anyways and they see no reason to appoint an AD or open a boutique. On the other hand, VC and ... 

Patek watches are universally better or nicer than a lange or a Vacheron. However this particular reference, the 5127, is a different story :) Few months back I have compared several Vacheron entry level with the Patek 5127 that I already owned and, frank... 

with you on PM.

The 5127 is so beautifully proportioned. Classic, elegant, understated. A date watch doesn't get any better than the 5127, though the 5296 is nice too.

are equal dfrom an objectvie point of view but PP hat this special "something" which is wortkh it

Is the dial white or cream?