christianch
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I love my Lange 1 but the truth is ...
That Patek is different and more prestigious. Now I understand and I agree with what you wrote about Lange but the simple truth is that Calatrava is and feels very different than 1817, Richard Lange or Saxonia. It is a much more mature line and recognised line.
Leaving aside subjective emotions -- watches are pure emotions so I completely understand why someone would go for a Lange 1 vs. a 5127 or even a Vacheron -- objectively a 5127 or 5227 is an all rounded watch that has everything you need.
A very reliable movement, a date, and is automatic.
Now I still love my lange 1 very much but it is manual (and not everyone likes that) and, whilst the movement is gorgeous and the finish is perhaps at the same level or higher than patek, the three quarter plate hides a bit more.
The reality is that watches are a statement too so if one could have only one I would still recommend a 5127 or 5227 over Lange or Vacheron.
I am not sure what the situation in your country is but here a Vacheron is priced at the same level as Patek and, to me, it is much less inspiring. Someone - or many - might prefer Vacheron but the truth is that Patek did play marketing, logistics, and distribution in a superior way for years and all this is translating in higher brand recognition, demand and lower supply.
There are very few Vacheron that I can't find but for Patek you still need to wait on several models. This is clever and I think it works.
Marketing aside, I still think that the 5127 is a very complete watch. The Lange 1 is lovely to me but it is a less obvious choice.
So if you do believe in the market snobbish game of high end luxury watches we have to accept the fact that the Patek is more prestigious. Of course one can choose to be different and simply buy what he likes. In the end this should be the criteria.
To me you can't go wrong with a Calatrava 5127 or 5227 but, again, this is just my view.
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PP 5127 & VC Patrimony Opinion
I'm now looking between the 5127, original & the 001 as a keeper & quite honestly, winding down on my passion for this hobby. Yes, James Bond did say, Never say, never again....& I don't know if that will ever happen. Having said that, I've na...
For me it is not clear ...
which VC Patrimony you are talking about - Contemporaine or Traditionelle? Which metal and dial are you interested in? PP 5127 is nice and a classic, but I would prefer the 5107P with the black dial. VC Patrimony, the Traditionelle with automatic movement...
Yellow or Rose Gold
Hi Oliver, The VC Option which I was looking at was Patrimony Contemporaine 85180 with date. In both cases, PP & VC, Yellow or Rose Gold with white dial. Regards Mally
5127
Greetings! I think both of your choices are very nice, but of the two I would choose the Patek. I currently own dress watches by both Patek and V&C and have a great respect and appreciation for the quality of these 2 brands. I think that from your cho...
Thanks!
Your comments are most helpful. Actually, I was initially inclined to the PP. I guess the best way would be to try both on & go with the one which appeals the most. Regards Mally
Perhaps this will help some...
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Patrimony
Patrimony for the looks and the Heritage of the Vacheron Constantain ( 260 years) .
Patrimony well executed
I've tried on several iterations of the Patrimony at an AD in Geneve, and if you're in that great city - and see the prime location (an island!) of the VC manufacture in that old and watch wise city you get an idea of how historic and respected the VC bra...
Unfortunately
Unfortunately , I am staying and working in kuwait , the land of camels ,the desert . Due to their beduin roots , people here are ignorants . They don`t know patek philippe , vacheron constantaine , audemars piguet .They just know rolex ,cartier and chopa...
Ouch! Lived in Q8 for 4 yrs (still recovering!)
I've felt your pain. Believe there's a small ALS and Patek boutique attached to the Hilton? complex. I left in late 2010 and there was an ALS then, with a "coming soon" Patek sign on a vacant store property. But yes, I believe gents in the Middle East lik...
I`ve got no choice
I`ve got no choice bro, I have to survive and keep up with the camels ( sorry , I mean kuwaiti people ) . However , easy living ( no tax ) help us to survive . :) Did you get your Patek Philippe ?
Didn't get my PP yet
Just bugging Patek ADs where ever I go - trying on different models to get a feel for which I want to acquire. I was a civilian contractor out there with the Air Force and was happy to escape with most of my sanity. The money/tax advantages/savings was go...
go for a calatrava
xxx patek is the only super brand in the watch world. just my opinion. cheers geross
Good advice!
The only other house that could approach Patek's Calatrava is perhaps Lange with their Saxonia Automatic Outsize Date. That may check some of your boxes...
Geross, So I guess the effort of VC, AP, ALS, Breguet, and the
several mind-blowing independent is just BS...because PP is so SUPER according to you. PP has a terrific heritage and have made and continue to make superb watches, but to say they are better than some of their competition is not true. I think in many way...
size
The PP is 37mm and the VCs I guess are 40mm. That's a big difference to me. I would opt for the 37mm all things being equal and a PP over a VC.
Mally, I like the 5127. One of my favourite entry-level PP's. I am
not sure if its replacement is worth the extra-premium and I know PP made a big deal about the hinge for case-back which took them 2-3 years to develop. I like the VC a lot. I prefer the date at 6 o'clock. I think it gives a watch better aesthetic balance...
Beautifly said...
kpk! I agree one hundred percent. Either one is elegant. Recently someone on this forum pointed out that watch collecting is a journey. Get both of them , buy one and in some months or years buy the other one!:) Regards Edward
A journey
that makes me want to live a long life so I can continue to dream about and if I'm lucky, acquire, my most loved pieces.
Edward, thanks for your kind words. I am no expert, but I believe
watch collecting is very personal. There is never a correct answer. But you can always narrow it down to 2-3 brands / models depending on what you are looking for. Mally, if you can let the date feature go, you will open up several other terrific options....
Saxonia wouldn't be good alternative because...
The no date would be a no no for me. Pity that they no longer do a Saxonia with date. I also think that the 5127 is a bit more charming and well..you can't go wrong with a Patek.
5127 because..
It is indeed an outstanding all rounder - ideal to take a step back and reflect. There is simply nothing wrong about this watch and the size is very classical. Unless you have a big wrist I su spect that this will fit you better than the VC. I am not sure...
Christianch, while I like the 5127 very much, I wonder why you
and many others make these two statements - "You cannot go wrong with a Patek" and "Patek is more prestigious than VC." The former statement - Yes you can go wrong with a Patek. At the Haute Horology "entry-level", Patek is nothing great compared to a VC ...
I love my Lange 1 but the truth is ...
That Patek is different and more prestigious. Now I understand and I agree with what you wrote about Lange but the simple truth is that Calatrava is and feels very different than 1817, Richard Lange or Saxonia. It is a much more mature line and recognised...
Christianch, thank you very much for your most thoughtful
reply. You raise points that are hard to argue with. I am from India and PP is not available here. Maybe because they feel that most Indian buy watches overseas anyways and they see no reason to appoint an AD or open a boutique. On the other hand, VC and ...
you are welcome..don't get me wrong.. I am not saying that..
Patek watches are universally better or nicer than a lange or a Vacheron. However this particular reference, the 5127, is a different story :) Few months back I have compared several Vacheron entry level with the Patek 5127 that I already owned and, frank...
5127 without question
The 5127 is so beautifully proportioned. Classic, elegant, understated. A date watch doesn't get any better than the 5127, though the 5296 is nice too.
vc and iothers
are equal dfrom an objectvie point of view but PP hat this special "something" which is wortkh it