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AAah, the 215 PS in big cases...
This is and this is not a problem, from my point of view.
This is a problem because if Patek wants to use such a small movement in their watches, they should, maybe, think about releasing a smaller case, around 34 / 35 mm.
What? There will not be demand for that? See JLC with the MUT... Not big sales, but enough to justify this 34 mm in the catalog.
Now, put a solid case back, and like with the 5196P, you have a superb watch.
So we really need to see the movement?
How the amateurs of Belle Horlogerie did in the past, where there was no sapphire case back, eeeh?
Best,
Nicolas
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My view on the Patek 5123R
The most impressive characteristic in Patek Philippe is without any doubt the high number of references that make up the catalogue for a brand whose production is estimated at 45,000 pieces per year. Take for example the 2 or 3 hands simple watches: Patek...
Lovely review, thank you
I very much like the watch; however, I remain uncertain about the abbreviated lugs. Cheers, John
Thanks John!
Lugs are a bit strange with this watch: they look small dial side and very long movement side. ;) fx
No. simple and clear like that
Have not seen it, but by using my experience with Pateks so far: it will be another unbalanced Patek. To put the 215 in a 38 mm case and trying to make the case look smaller by using a bizzare shape and short lugs does not work for me. The dial will be va...
"Is not the question: why no more 36 mm is the actual question."
because the people I know don't want these tiny watches anymore A dresswatch is prefered to be between 40 and 42 mm. Ofcourse I know some people still like or even prefer 35 or 36 mm but they are the minotity, just like only 10 or 15 % will prefer 46 and ...
I cordially welcome your initiative!
And as we are doing a poll anyway: let us also measure the avarage wrist size. Believe me: this is a bow to the American taste, at the moment, suggested by marketing and consulting companies to Patek. I am sure Patek does this reluctantly. The Chinese hav...
Size perception is influenced by so many parameters...
The bezel, the shape and length of the lugs, the dial colours, the indexes... you know some 36mm watches look as big as 38mm ones. Diameter is only one parameter. Thanks for your comments! Fx
You mean 5120 as a 35 mm piece: classicism at its best? I agree.
And it is even an auto with the caliber 240: what, honestly, what can a purist ask more for? The "entry level" Pateks are Pateks of and for the future as they are showing the past, the history and essence of watch making. Best Moritz
Here you have some RESULTS
Like said, via another forum because I can't make a poll on the purists. Linking is not appreciated so I just show you the results :-) [IMG]http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y145/unknown100/size.jpg[/IMG] ...
I think this is pretty clear :-)
It's about the average watch and a forum like the purists where you have several brands and not only Panerai LOL ( does TZ ring a bell ? :-) Anyway why do you think that Rolex makes bigger sportswatches and bigger datejusts and day-dates, sky-dweller. Eve...
IMO, you absolutely cannot generalize.
A sportwatch is good around 40 / 42 mm. A toolwatch can be even bigger. A Grande Complicaton needs some place, so I would say somewhere between 42 and 44 mm. A dressy watch, time only, cannot be, in my eyes, big, it is antinomic.Less than 40 is much appre...
And the small vintage watches have more and more success...
because there were no bigger watches 30 - 50 years ago 35-36-37 was the standard size in 1950 - 1960 - 1970 I'll tell you more, but this is again my personal opinion ... if you could find vintage watches between 40 and 42 , these would be more popular the...
Thank you!
I think I have seen this also, somewhere. Sure, a sports watch, casual, also let it be a complicated one ... why not 40+. BUT my reference is a classic watch. A Lange 1815 does not look the same in 40, or even a change of +1.7 mm in case of the 3940: the ...
Not sure Bruno.
First of all, it depends on the markets and with high end watches, you always have people interested in small cases. Look at the Simplicity 34mm... It is funny but when the quality is here, size is not a problem anymore. ;-) I'm still wearing my 36mm 1815...
ofcourse
ofcourse some people still like 34 mm watches but like said I'm pretty sure they are a minortiy Why do you think even rolex makes their watches bigger ? The Dufour is a superb watch but if he would give the possibility to order this watch in 34 or 40 mm I...
AAah, the 215 PS in big cases...
This is and this is not a problem, from my point of view. This is a problem because if Patek wants to use such a small movement in their watches, they should, maybe, think about releasing a smaller case, around 34 / 35 mm. What? There will not be demand f...
Thanks for your input.
If the 5196P is nice, it is also because it doesn't have the same dial than the other versions. And the gold versions display a very unbalanced dial IMHO. And yes I'm sure that they would have sold without any problem this 5123 with a smaller case. Fx
Even with 37 mm case and a saphire
case back 215 is not too bad. I am just playing with my 5134P and I have very little to complain. Best, Kari
Thank you for the review, the pictures are wonderful.
But, I'm with the Count on this one. The case design does not appeal to me in the least. Case lugs, the bezel and the dish-like case back leave me cold. Maybe Patek should just re-introduce the 2526 instead of a new interpretation of a classic which frank...
Thanks whit for your comments!
About the point you are underlining, I don't know if Patek would do it: it would be far from their strategy. They are the best to create iconic watches... by stopping them. ;) Fx
nice piece but the strap looks strange
It is WAY too narrow. looks like a 16 mm strap for woman :-(
Yes it is true, I had this feeling first.
And after a few minutes I was used with it. It matches well the case shape IMHO. Fx
Thank you François-Xavier
Hi, I was pleasantly surprised to discover this new reference as I have very little appeal for modern Calatrava models (except for the 5196P or 5153G). I like this watch that looks like no other, is classical yet original. I like the special lugs and the ...
Thanks Jérôme.
You are right, the strap contributes a lot to the special look. They always manage to create appealing details... Fx
Thanks for the review and great pictures.
As far as sizes go, personally, I do not care for 41 mm or larger pieces. So, I guess I would (probably) be one in the minority wherein I like the 33-35mm size. :-) Aloha, Bob
Thanks bob for your input.
Again, it is linked to the purpose of the watch. But you know, I can jump between a 42mm watch and a 36mm one... of course, the small watch looks... small the first days but it is ok after. I think that my brain needs time to get used with it. ;) Fx
Yes, I think I can jump to some larger sizes, too...
because there are some brands, Panerai in particular, that I like. I know that many people (the general populace) like larger watches and when looking at the fashion market, it's al about BIG. But they are for fashion and the general populace. I wonder if...