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From a business development perspective, I figure there’s an inflection point for certain products and brands where they have to turn their investment/focus to the next generation of consumers.
It must be that much harder for storied watch brands. The existing old school clients already have so much from the golden PP years (from collectors’ perspective), it can be that much harder to impress with something new. And we won’t be around too much longer to matter anyway. As such, in a way I credit Stern with making the hard decision since he can take the hits, and therefore spare his son(s) from dealing with the naysayers. At the same time, we know Cubitus will be (or is) successful, and will only get better. Wahlberg got his and we’ll soon be seeing on all the footballers and influencers who constitute the new generation of clients whether we like it or not. Again, my point and main curiosity has been about PPs decision from a purely business perspective, because honestly what else is there at the end of the day for brands, IMHO.
It’s nearly bonfire 🔥 night , so let me start it early with some fireworks 🧨 💥 early
Cubitus, yes that one. There’s been a few spark ⚡️ with that one. But, if hunting season is open, then let me get the double barrel shotgun out. WARNING ‼️: if you’re easily triggered 😤 stop ✋ now. What follows will be bloody 🩸 and likely to cause severe ...
Really great post, criticism is welcome when fair and thoughtful. Vintage Patek had beauty in harmonious proportion.
Having said that, I wouldn't turn down the rainbow mr aquanaut if offered as a gift. Patek does Ding Ding so well!
🦖You know what happened to the dinosaurs 🦕
We traditional watch lovers are headed the same way... ...
All this time, the only Patek that interests me…
is, pls dont shoot me, the 5524😂… It is good to hear real feedback/opinion..no right or wrong as it is personal. And cheers to crossing 6k posts!🥂🥂
Oh wow, I admire that choice, it was the cubitas of its day,
You should buy what makes your life happy, my opinion really doesn’t count for anything!
I have beef with the sky moon tourbillon.
Two crowns is lazy. It should be a single two position crown.
You are 100% right.
The modern designs do not have the harmony of the vintage and neovintage designs. We are not the target customer, full stop. Given the past 10 years, I do not have much confidence in the brand.
From a business development perspective, I figure there’s an inflection point for certain products and brands where they have to turn their investment/focus to the next generation of consumers.
It must be that much harder for storied watch brands. The existing old school clients already have so much from the golden PP years (from collectors’ perspective), it can be that much harder to impress with something new. And we won’t be around too much l...
5230p is the only watch right now making me think PP
I just don't think I'd wear it.. but the sculpted lugs, guilloche dial, blue tones, plt case... really nice. The movement seems a bit dated
What a a great read - had to read it twice
… I really do see your points here. And for myself start gravitating (like our dear Nicolas) to more (Neo)-vintage pieces. If I can only get myself to save up for 5970.
You’ll get no arguments from me
Vintage Patek seems to be a totally different brand and feel to the modern brand I’ll stick to the old stuff thanks ...
You are totally right. The thing which makes me laugh the most is the name of the watch. Cubitus in french is a bone ( elna in english ) close to the Humerus, normally above the Anus ( back ) and uterus ( front ).
In French, it is also the name for a cheap wine package ( 5 liters )... You are right, Imran. Patek drives his business as he wants. We are happy with that, good for everybody, we aren't, good for them. After all, it is their money. We are not forced to b...
The truth is we know the back catalogue, but reality is the next generation will grow up with the current one
For them, these offerings we see as lacking the essence of Patek, will be their goals. Nothing wrong in that. Im at an age where enjoying life has become more important than hoarding watches, I know you don’t like the Nautilus but for me a nice Nautilus w...
I am in TOTAL agreement with you.
The proportions are always off with Patek. Plus they decide to go up in sizes when other brands finally realize that they should downsize. And don't get me started on the cubitus. It's hard to think of a brand that is ruining its legacy more than Patek at...
I think the Cubitus will improve, I have now had a chance to view it and try it on
Will post later, but we agree on proportions and sizing
Great post and I couldn't agree more...
Do you mind sharing what reference the beautiful platinum (?) Calatrava below the special 5196P Salmon has? Patek's home runs in the looks department have been far and between over the past 10+ years. 5230P is up there, 5740/1G as well, and 5170P was love...
Ok, answered the Calatrava question myself. 2585A it should be.
Looks like a million dollars ... and ended up there at auction a decade ago.
Thanks for the great post. Now tell us what you really think!
Personally, I'm very glad Patek has made some of its watches a bit larger, not least because I am into middle age and I can't read the text in sub-dials and windows on a 36mm watch! Something like a 3970 looks absolutely beautiful, but it's tiny. As I und...
Lol 😂 true, you’re right about how a watch wears, the 5196 wears way more impressively than its 37mm suggests
The Nautilus on the other hand wears smaller than the 42mm ...
My first Patek was a 37mm 5035G. Eventually I felt it wore too small and sold it.
You're right that the 5196 gives the impression of being bigger than its 37mm, probably because it's flat and with a thin bezel. I also had a 5712A and that was a very nice size - 40mm?
Yes exactly, the 5035 has a significant bezel architecture
It wears smaller than a 5140 or 5110 for instance, they’re all 37mm The 5712 is really 38mm although they say 42mm
Some delicious eye candy you showed Imran ! The Aquanaut rainbow MR has a real
OMG WOW factor ! IMO It is a perfect fit for someone attending a Met Gala.
Thank you for your transparency and directness!
While I am active in the AP boards, I have not been so active in the PP board. I'm wondering when was the turning point for me overall in my collecting journey - and I think it came down to the below visit to the PP boutique in Geneva after the introducti...
Loved your take on the changes over the years
Sadly, I don't post here so much. I did when under a different username. But that was hacked, so I started afresh. These days I tend to read more than I post. But felt I had to comment on your thread. I agree with what you have said and imo, proven by pho...