Mark in Paris[Purist]
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Please, we are not going all over this again
Dear Nicolas,
We already had this disccusion in the other post (and before) and, don't take it wrong, but I really find your interventions are partial.
Everybody is free to express opinions of course but in each post you try to find the most negative things, anytime you can (Patek is not the only one).
You're someone very knowledgeable with a strong vintage historical experience and I respect you as many here but this is annoying when done repeatedly and when it seems to be "biased".
We're here talking about a very few pieces and you present them as if it was flooding with new versions. Bruno presents 1 old ref (how many were there before the London editions? nearly none) and you depict like if it was another of the very numerous ones.
Finding from time to time one or two 1-shot watches doesn't make them opining a Pandora's box and ruining the brand with overflooding with limited editions.
I didn't hear that you were so severe with your favorite brand: the many dials and tributes we had these last years, colors, the limited edition for movies (Batman, Mad Men etc....) etc... You should recognize this is another volume level about exploiting a product.
I know you expect a lot from Patek and other high-end brands and maybe this is your "guts" speaking but it doesn't feel objective and neutral, at least to me.
Tell me if I'm wrong of course but I think you're to severe on that matter and I would love that we don't talk again and again of the same thing when it was already discussed and replied with other strong arguments, just to punish them or as a will to make harm only.
Hope you don't mind I speak frankly Nicolas but this is how I feel.
Cheers, Mark
You mean this one?
By: amanico : October 14th, 2015-01:36
I prefer the leaf shaped hands, but the dial is even nicer, according to my taste, than the " out of range " salmon one limited to 5 pieces. Except the luminous dots, which are too much, IMO. As for this article, I have no problem with it, since you are M...
not only this reference
By: Bruno.M1 : October 14th, 2015-01:59
If something is already very sought after, some clients just want a little extra thing like said, there are a few unique 5970 out there do you remember all thoses ultra high end grande complications from some time ago , a celestial, a skymoon a repeater.....
Please read my last point about the Gyrotourbillon, you will see that I am not pleased, either...
By: amanico : October 14th, 2015-03:13
It is not a problem of brand, but of behaviour, and yes, you have a point, Patek is not the only one to play this tricky game. Still, it is a tricky game. And a bit risky, too... Best, Nicolas
I must be nuts!
By: dr.kol : October 14th, 2015-04:51
But this "tricky game" is something that makes a couple of loyal clients very happy. Furthermore, it creates discussion around the Brand and that must be partly intentional (also very clever) from the Brand's side. I am still willing to buy all four 5070 ...
Indeed mark...
By: Fricks : October 14th, 2015-08:38
... You are right, its good to have some animated debate, but always while trying to be fair and not mix everything, to paint a different picture than things really are. A special order for a special collector is totally different than the london 5 pcs ed...
Exactly!
By: Fricks : October 14th, 2015-08:26
You are not mentioning the strangest part in all that : They don\'t seem to learn from the mistakes of others! JLC is a perfect example of a cie that made zillion variations of its gyrotourbillon, even in 5 and 10 pieces with just color differences, blue,...
I managed
By: dr.kol : October 14th, 2015-08:44
to take these two bad photos with my iPhone before anybody managed to say "no photos, please". Sorry for the rubbish quality but perhaps these help to give an idea. I was impressed. Best, Kari ...
blue dials are tricky...
By: Fricks : October 14th, 2015-09:43
... they have a trick to make each blue dial unique. 5270G 5070P 5960P have all different tonalities of blue. 5070P london has apparently a blue never seen before. 5070P have sometimes tones of aubergine color, that i didn't find in other blue dials. 5270...