Patek Philippe

Gentlemen, This is a theme that comes on the table quite frequently: which chronograph do we prefer between the 5070 and the 5170 references? I won't give an answer to that question (if ever there is one). But as some buyers wish to enter the world of Pat...  

I hope you don't mind I created a new thread as I had prepared it already and thought having a wider discussion could be interesting for everyone of us :) Good hunt H' ! Cheers, Mark

For a great post. I'm sure that this opens a good discussion and many of those "quiet" members will get good opinions and material if they need to decide about the next Patek Philippe chronograph. Best, Kari

Thanks a lot Kari, I'm glad your appreciated it. It is the kind of interrogation many of us have when dealing with Patek Philippe chronographs and I hope they'll be able to refer to this thread if they need advice. Cheers Kari, Mark

I am emailing it to myself to reread-I am sure I will find things later that I missed at first. Your analysis raises an interesting point for me. The 5070 shared the Lemania movement with the 5970. The 5170 shares its movement with the 5270. And the 5070 ... 

and just focused on different issues. It is part of the pleasure I think to discover what we like (or don't) about a watch. There may be some details we didn't notice and we don't want to know about :) To answer your size question, I think: The CH 27-70 w... 

Great analysis. Great post.

As said, the 5170 has a better movement in terms of " technicity ". But in terms of finish, the way the bridges are designed, you feel it will be a movement which will be produced in bigger volumes. The dials... You did well to post dials of some Patek Vi... 

Sorry you had to write your answer a second time, I thought this post was worth doing after Hspee's question yesterday. You know I wasn't that much a vintage guy but, concerning vintage chronos, I've been reading about them lately and some of the dial lay... 

It is such an interesting topic. Yes, I will have to see it in the flesh, and check how the movement is finished, but I have the intuition the 5370P is the new reference in terms of chronogaphs. Which was, in my opinion, of course, not the case with the 5... 

Great post again Mark and thanks for including my wrist shot...Cheers,

Your wristshot deserved it, thanks for sharing them with us! Cheers, Mark

I do think I will be tempted by the black dial 5170. I disliked the first yellow gold version, the second white gold variant with arabics was better and the third iteration may catch me. However, I have a 5070R and think my move my well be to get the G ve... 

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They look so beautiful...

Opportunity... Best, nicolas

Patek chronographs both 5070 & 5170 are good looking watches. I appreciate your post mark. Thanks. Best! Geross

and so difficult to choose! Thanks a lot for your kind words geross, I'm gladd you enjoyed it. Cheers, mark

in contradiction of many other members I am less interested in the technical aspects of a watch than in the way they apeal to me, not that I don't have the knowledge of the tech specs but at the end they come on a second basis if I have to decide wether I...  

This is a fantastic move and I hope you'll share many of your future experiences with this watch with us :) Back to your adequate answer, I feel that, for most of us, it finally ends at the same place: does it attract me or not, do I want it very much or ... 

In the end it always comes down to, does the final product excite/speak to you. Both the 5070 and 5170g black dial are attractive, but for me the determining factor will be case size because this directly impacts wearability. My personal preference is for... 

especially on your last sentence. What can seem too simple may also last longer. The size is indeed another criteria and has a huge importance on the way we live with the watch on our wrist. Thanks for your comments H' :) Cheers, Mark

Gents, 4 years ago, I also posted a comprehensive (words only) review of the 5170 VS 5070 debate on this site... if you google "my review 5170 vs 5070 you can find it" Mark thanks again for a fabulous post.

Thanks a lot for your words and for your link! I just found it and added it at the end of my post as it is interesting to read such opinions. Glad your appreciated this thread MB :) Cheers, Mark

probably my favorite posts … the iconic 5070 vs … something else this time the 5170, a good competitor I guess you all know what I prefer :-) But I think we can honestly say it is all personal taste and these watches are in the same league.

When there is 5970 or 5070 inside the title it is very exciting :) And thanks a lot Bruno for all these fantastic pictures you share with us and that perfectly illustrate our beloved watches! Cheers, Mark

however as most of us know we often collect with our heart and not our brain As you correctly say " there is no right answer" Both have pluses and minuses Being mainly a vintage collector I would tend to 5070 but I love the new 5170g I stupidly passed up ... 

I think that aiming for a chronograph from Patek is a very nice program :) As looking for a 5070G I'm sure you saw Nicolas' last picture, it is indeed a very attractive Patek. Thank you very much for your warm comments Julian and have a nice end of week. ... 

To my mind, it is like comparing a Porsche 993 with a Porsche 997. The latter is superior from a technical standpoint, but it is the former that everyone wants. I think you make many good points, but one stands out for me. The 5070 has made that leap to i... 

Thank you Joe for your kind comments and opinion! Well, I think that a key element to become a watch that will be remembered is Time . The 5070 has had some, on the contrary to the 5170. Such an image has to be built on the long run, if ever it does of co... 

The watch world can be quite strange at times: Patek is releasing another chrono in many years and is using a supplier for the movement instead of developing one own movement. However it becomes a big success, possibly a bigger one than Patek was expectin... 

if we're talking about a way to say what is true to Patek's chronographs history. The 13-130 which was used for a very long time until the CH 27-70 was a 2.5 Hz too. But, apart from that detail, the 5170 layout (case, lugs, dial, hands, markings, Breguet ... 

In my opinion Patek comes very, very close in making perfect watches but still leaves space for imperfections, for their own definition and interpretation. And this is quite brave. A good Sunday to you, too. Moritz

Patek is making just watches. However, their main goal is the same as all corporations' main goal: to generate maximum profits. What I like in Patek Philippe is that their method of generating maximum profits is to (mostly mass) produce watches of very hi... 

... your point " (mostly) mass produced". We are debating about watches that are unaffordable for a great, great number of people in each country. Regardless reach or poor if I tell a non watch-nutt what a certain "entry level" Patek costs the reaction is... 

Butt still the person above us is my Mother-in-Law. At leat they look the same and smell the same. On the other hand, I would rather see the Mother-in-Law behind bars than roaming freely. Best, Kari

Saw your mother's day present: you are surely creative. Moritz

but not Grandmothers' Day. Best, Kari

I must say I also like them both, for different reasons. Cheers, Mark

I saw the blue dial from the 6000G and this was outstanding really. Some prefer lighter blue, as always it is hard to satisfy every Patek fans :p Maybe that, if I had to pick my favorite color I would still say the 5370P's enamel black with its Roman nume... 

I see too often some of the famous watches being technically and mechanically ‘improved’ but very often at the expense of symmetry, personally it disturb me. My eyes, ageing may be. Or may be because why redoing what is born perfect ;-) A very interesting... 

...of the 5170 (watch which I prefer overall) are very disappointing. For example, the decoration of Montblanc's Pulsograph are much superior at a much lower price.

I do clearly favor the 5170. Without going into the discussion of movement finish there is one aspect of the 5070 that clearly is a no-go for me : the very obvious small movement in a (too) big case! This is visible by the very large bezel which kills for...