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With pleasure...

 

This is my personal and thus subjective opinion but this is how I see it.

There are the Nautilus and the RO, first, and in a very different category the Overseas.


The RO is a little more interesting as a beautiful sculpture. This is Art in the design.

But the Nautilus is more elegant (and as beautiful) and has this lightness the RO has not as much.

What makes me prefer the Nautilus to the RO is:

- the dial material which is more interesting in the Nautilus (pattern and coating which light reflection are beautiful in the Nautilus)

- the 234 movement which I prefer: a little more decoration, more appealing bridges' shape to me. And I really don't like the external rotor ring of the 2120.

Hence the Nautilus is slightly at the 1st position, before the RO15202, to me.


I think the Overseas is much different because it is much bigger and much thicker. I like the bracelet design (the Malta cross pattern), the bezel but it is quite heavy looking and much more sporty. It is not what I call an elegant watch as are the RO or the Nautilus  (which can be dressy). The Overseas is more a tool watch to me considering the size criterion.

The movement finish has nothing to do with the other two (it is hidden) and I like looking at a nicely finished movement. It is part of my pleasure in watches.




But, in the mean time, I know some members on this forum with a very nice collection who possess an Overseas watch for quite a long time, so this is certainly something to consider. This is not a judgment of course.

I just think it is a completely different watch.

I would nearly consider comparing an Overseas to a Rolex (Daytona for instance) rather than to a Nautilus or a RO.



Concerning the bracelet size problem, if I had the same climate problem where I live, I'm sure I'd still possess my 5712 and have it a little loose for winter, which means it would be ok for summer time (or I would go twice a year have one link changed for the upcoming season).

Concerning the sticky date issue: first I'm sure this concerned a very little volume we hear about (but this is my opinion, I don't have statistics). And it wouldn't stop me at all. If I have the problem I send it to Patek as I read it is definitely fixed.

So no real problem for me.

In other words, if one likes the Nautilus, he shouldn't hold on his decision to this matter.


Cheers, Mark

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PP Nautilus 5712 inspired by Mark

 
By: jrwong23 (aka watchthebin) : June 11th, 2015-06:57
Mark's recent post of his nautilus on the piano inspired me to wear mine again today! The blue dial never fails to make me smile. It comes alive under the sun Cheers Robin...  

It is always something I noticed concerning that watch.

 
By: Mark in Paris : June 11th, 2015-07:14
Every time I leave it at the safe, I remember it saying that it has a nice dial because I know it from the past. But when I get it back, I'm really surprised again to see how true it is and smile at its view when pulling it out of its pocket. Thanks for s... 

This exactly when you know that you have a keeper in your collection,

 
By: drphileasfogg : June 11th, 2015-08:21
if after not wearing it for a long time, it makes you smile once it is back on your wrist :-) Best Stan

True

 
By: Mark in Paris : June 11th, 2015-08:41
I know that tastes evolve and we never know what we will think in the future. But I know that the 5712 is the last watch I would sell. Cheers, Mark

Thanks Gordon

 
By: jrwong23 (aka watchthebin) : June 12th, 2015-00:34
That\'s why this dial is so fun Under the sun especially Cheers Robin

Keep wearing robin.

 
By: geross : June 11th, 2015-10:00
The blue dial is very pleasant to the eyes. A true watch icon. Glad you have it. Cheers! Geross.

Great wrist shot Robin!

 
By: BABKA : June 11th, 2015-13:38
The dial gives off a beautiful hue at different angles. Thanks for sharing!

I will fly to London

 
By: dr.kol : June 11th, 2015-13:55
in the morning at 06:20. It's midnight here and I just came home from Helsinki and I'm packing. Still have not decided: should I take my 5153G or my nearly 5712 - I mean 3712. But tomorrow is a Patek day for sure! Best, Kari

Lol!

 
By: jrwong23 (aka watchthebin) : June 12th, 2015-00:36
Have a good trip Kari and tell us what you wear eventually I am so envious of your 3712! Cheers Robin

I took my new 5153G.

 
By: dr.kol : June 12th, 2015-10:28
Went also to Patek Salon in New Bond Street. That was a mistake! This visit will cost a lot in the future when everything arrives. Have a nice weekend! Kari

In this light, the blue is absolutely gorgeous!

 
By: rnaden : June 11th, 2015-18:10
Your personal take - is this a watch that you can wear as an everyday watch? One that can take the dings and weather here in the tropics? I like everything about the watch, even the many dials, when I'm not usually a fan of too many things on a dial. I'm ... 

A question for me too...

 
By: Esharp : June 11th, 2015-22:36
I'm actually leaning towards the simplicity of the 5711, although I'm not a huge fan of the 324SC inside. My difficulty is that all across Asia I find myself going from air-conditioned environments (normal wrist!) to the great outdoors (mega-wrist! They b... 

Lol Mega wrist!

 
By: jrwong23 (aka watchthebin) : June 12th, 2015-00:40
I didn\'t know you expand and contract so much E! Hmmm this is a tough one. I will think a rubber strap is better for you then. How about a VC Overseas with a blue strap? Cheers Robin

It's annoying...

 
By: Esharp : June 12th, 2015-20:31
Hi Robin, Well, if Patek did the composite strap for Nautilus in a subtle blue, that might be tempting...but as it is the grey that's available is a bit drab. Couple the non-adjustable bracelet with the 324SC sticking date problem and the scratch-prone be... 

I have a friend...

 
By: dr.kol : June 12th, 2015-23:42
He's a great guy. A London City lawyer (although in shipping), 38 years of age, an eager sailor, in perfect fit. Handsome and great character and single . He's also very lonely. But why? He's looking for a "perfect" wife. The successful candidate should l... 

Lol Kari

 
By: jrwong23 (aka watchthebin) : June 13th, 2015-05:36
You, me and E should discuss this topic again next time 3 of us meet in Singapore again! Cheers Robin

Hahahaha!

 
By: Esharp : June 13th, 2015-08:42
Well spoken, my friends! Kari, you make a very good point - and one that actually goes to the heart of my personality. I've always had to fight my inner perfectionist to keep from sitting on the fence and keep the best from being the enemy of the good. I ... 

That's what I mean!

 
By: dr.kol : June 13th, 2015-14:49
And if the normal 5711 is too boring and normal, get 5711P. Best, Kari

You know, I go back...

 
By: Esharp : June 13th, 2015-19:43
You know, I go back and forth on the 5711P.  Is that dial a bit too blue?  Is the common-or-garden 5711 actually nicer?  Would all that platinum just weigh too much?   Well, that's what I tell myself when I remember what one would go for (if you can e... 

I'm a diver

 
By: dr.kol : June 13th, 2015-22:14
and the normal amount of weights I use when diving is 2 kilos. A platinum watch like 5711P would solve some 10% of the diving weights. I have seen and handled one. It's not the garden version of 5711 and for sure not too blue. In real the dial is shocking... 

There goes my sanity

 
By: Esharp : June 13th, 2015-23:25
Kari, you are as bad as Vlad! For the sake of my wallet, pllease let me pretend that: 1. The 5711/1a is dangerously flawed and will never really do as it's just Not Good Enough, and 2. The 5711P is FAR too heavy and FAR too blue for me ever even think abo... 

I could perhaps help you if you want...

 
By: dr.kol : June 14th, 2015-00:35
What do you say if next time I'm in Singapore, I will organise you an opportunity to see Nautilus 5711/1A and 5711P-001 side-by-side? You could easily conclude the following: 1. Yes, 5711P is heavy. But very pleasantly so. It reminds you that you are wear... 

You are EVIL...

 
By: Esharp : June 14th, 2015-02:59
Kari, Someone recently posted saying that you are giving Nicolas competition as Vlad. Now I see what they meant. ;-) If you can get a 5711P and a 5711/1A together, I'll make sure I can get from HK to Singapore when you're next there! No doubt the way to g... 

I am GOOD!

 
By: dr.kol : June 14th, 2015-03:29
And being good means that I want to help people. In fact that's the main goal of my life. I have ways and means taking a 5711P with me to Singapore. I will also take my old and trusted (nearly 5 months) 5711/1A plus 3712. Just to compare, I will also take... 

Looking forward to that!

 
By: dr.kol : June 13th, 2015-10:32
When I will return from Hawaii, it's high time to start to plan next Singapore trip. Best, Kari

Scratch-magnet-tastic.

 
By: Mark in Paris : June 13th, 2015-09:17
I love it! I see that you've been trying all the 3 references so I really won't give my opinion as you've seen the differences (dials, movements, thickness...). An easy adjustable mechanism would indeed be a good improvement on these watches. Would it be ... 

Mark, Don't hold back!  Tell...

 
By: Esharp : June 13th, 2015-20:04
Mark, Don't hold back!  Tell me what you think - I have more than enough opinions of my own (well, that's what my wife tells me!) but it is always good to hear counterpoints.  It's not as if the RO - Nautilus - Overseas comparison hasn't b... 

With pleasure...

 
By: Mark in Paris : June 14th, 2015-03:59
This is my personal and thus subjective opinion but this is how I see it. There are the Nautilus and the RO, first, and in a very different category the Overseas. The RO is a little more interesting as a beautiful sculpture. This is Art in the design. But... 

Wow, thank you!

 
By: Esharp : June 15th, 2015-23:21
Mark, Thank you for a refreshing and interesting analysis. I hadn't thought of the AP and PP as being so different from the VC but I do see what you mean. In my own opinion as well, the PP is rather more elegant than the others. The challenge I face regar... 

Indeed if it is during the day

 
By: Mark in Paris : June 16th, 2015-02:23
I only see the Ardillon buckle solution because even with an adjustable bracelet clasp I think it will be boring to switch it several times a day. And, yes I agree the Nautilus is more elegant whereas the RO is sportier. Cheers, Mark

Completely agree with the thing about cutting the strap to size...

 
By: rnaden : June 12th, 2015-01:44
my strap on the Aquanaut fits in the outdoors, but gets uncomfortable with heat and sweat, and too loose in the aircon interior of buildings.

Easy!

 
By: dr.kol : June 13th, 2015-14:52
Get another one. One for outside and one inside. No adjustment needed. Best, Kari

My view Richard

 
By: jrwong23 (aka watchthebin) : June 12th, 2015-00:39
Is the Nautilus bracelet is great for our weather here. However I heard the bezel is easily scratched so I have been very careful when I wear it and I don\'t wear it that often too a PuristS shouldn\'t care too much about these scratches but for me, I am ... 

There is always a "but"somewhere ;-)

 
By: rnaden : June 12th, 2015-01:43
Thanks for the feedback - I'm considering a few options now, but it seems that when I look at the criteria for robustness - water, weather, sweat, knocks - two brands keep coming back to mind...Rolex and Omega. Something PP needs to think about - I don't ... 

I did not need Mark's post to wear mine...

 
By: Mike H : June 12th, 2015-14:35
...due to the recent weather here in Paris. The temperature is reaching 30° C since a few days and the croc straps are back in the safe in favor of the bracelet ones. Since I only have 2 watches with bracelet (5513 and 5712) that leaves me with 50% chance... 

Thanks Mike!

 
By: jrwong23 (aka watchthebin) : June 12th, 2015-18:36
wow Paris is that warm now. Like Singapore :) Enjoy summer my friend. And also enjoy your lovely PPs :) Cheers Robin