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SJX 5 points!, you definetely hit the nail ! I remembered being shocked when...
my father told me back in the eighties that he was not going to replace his 911 by the new 964, claiming it was betraying the model.
I tried everything to convince him, even when I bought my first 911, the 993 he did not want to drive it.
Today I must be getting old because I admit that the new 911s are not...
You know the end of the story.
Same thing applies to Rolex, damn difficult to replace or evolve models that established itself naturally as icons...
Difficult? no impossible or you need new generations of buyers to relay...
Always a pleasure to learn from you, Nicolas and all the experienced PuristS
cheers
Luc
Why I miss the Sea-Dweller and its outgoing brethren
For most of its life the Sea-Dweller never sold particularly well because it was too thick and too heavy for the ordinary consumer. And the Submariner could be bought for less and it looked nearly identical. In fact, on the secondary market the Sea-Dwelle...
Interesting post, SJX
A lot of food for thought ! I will be one of those who will regret the Explorers and Subs, IF they are really discontinued, which we'll know soon, well, in a pair of months. They are timeless pieces, whose charm is indeed difficult to describe. A page is ...
A couple of points
Hi Nicolas, A couple of points in response: The Yacht-master also was the first to have the polished case (top and sides) that is now standard on the Daytona, GMT-Master II etc. As for SD vs. Submariner pricing, I was referring to the last 16600 and 16610...
Thanks, SJX
You're absolutely correct about the YM... That makes all the interest of this watch, a kind of precursor. I misread you, I thought you were speaking IN GENERAL, about the Sea Dweller and the SUB. I didn't get that you spoke about the modern production, we...
With ....
such a complete review and complete answer is there is not much else to add.... Thanks.... Cheers
There is always something to add, PP.
What were your favourite Subs and SDs? What do you want to see as a future Sub? What do you think about these models which will maybe disappear? You see? Best, Nicolas
Well....
true my friend..... So some quick thoughts...... I do not see the current sub disappearing as a lot of them were produced..... They will have their place in the second hand market and the vintage but not in the sense of todays vintage rolex.... My favouri...
Tssss...PP...Are you telling me that
There is something " new " to come??? HeHe... You're always where I don't expect for you to be. Best, Nicolas
he.. he.. he...
I t is nice to be surprised my friend isn't it? I hope that you have a great Sunday...... Cheers
A charming era, but one that is over!
The Rolex tool watches originate from a time when precise time keeping under extreme conditions became necessary and was not universally available. Up until the 80ies you could really argue that you bought a tool and this was reflected in the design: matt...
Tool versus Luxury...Superbly put, Anatol.
This message has been edited by amanico on 2010-01-09 00:16:56
utilitarian tool
agree....how past utilitarian tool has now evolved into mass luxury products...similar story for Panareis. bejewelled Rolexes and precious metal PAMs...
Thanks SJX, Nicolas and Anatol for your posts.
As Anatol has elegantly put: Rolex, at the end of the day, is a luxury watch, and most people who buy a luxury sport watch would only reminisce about the adventurous lifestyle. To most, it's the embodiment of an adventurous lifestyle, not the actual adven...
Thanks for sharing your views/thoughts...
very NICELY written too!! Indeed, we are witnessing the end of an era...
I am getting old
I know I am, because I agree with your post. Your arguments are right to me. But of course Rolex must have a good marketing department. They at least try to find out what their customers and new customers want for a watch. And this is probably what they c...
Nice post
As a heartfelt fan of my Sub LV, I have to agree, that despite the 'crappy' bracelet-clasp, I still vastly prefer the 'old' Rolex's to the new ones. BTW, I never thought or think of the clasp as crappy--I am in the camp who looks upon the clasp as perfect...
A very....
thorough review... A long and interesting story..... Cheers This message has been edited by PinkPanther on 2010-01-09 13:16:21
Great post that point out the cross roads of Rolex...
...ultimately, these last changes will pretty much mark the full change of the Rolex line. As your post stated, many people rushed to buy the last of the Sea Dwellers and I followed along - luckily I was able to get a V series. As these forums are all abo...
respectfully vote that Rolex is doing a good job with new models
I agree with many of the things that you say in your review, but I personnally consider that Rolex is doing a great job with its new models. It's kind of funny to think that for twenty years people have complained about Rolex bracellets and clasps and tha...
I agree with you
as I wrote in my original post, the new Rolex watches, especially the bracelets, are wonderful. I wore a Daytona for the last 2 days and the bracelet is an amazing piece of work, especially for the price (even though the steel Daytona sells at a premium)....
Rolex never approved by NASA...
..for space exploration/travel. Plus the SD is not a chronograph. Only one watch passed all the rigorous NASA tests and that is the Omega Speedmaster. Of course today we have the Timex Ironman and Casio G-Shock, and now the Seiko Spacewalk approved for sp...
SJX - you have a point, however, the DSSD to my
mind is a culmination of Rolex research over the past 50 years - that they can put together a 'street legal' watch that can drop 4km down and still run just fine. The watch retains all that is Rolex. Sure, it might be over engineered, but for most purpose...
You are right, but
The SD was originally designed for professionals in mind. It was extremely difficult to sell a SD to a civilian in the 70s, 80s and even 90s. On the other hand, the SDDS - which is an incredible piece of engineering - is clearly designed for the luxury sp...
Enjoyed reading this, SJX!
I think the Sea-Dweller is a fantastic timepiece. Rolex should be proud of their successful design. I wonder where Rolex is heading. I didn't care for the redesigned Datejust (Datejust II) at all, so I'm curious what the future will hold for other models....
SJX 5 points!, you definetely hit the nail ! I remembered being shocked when...
my father told me back in the eighties that he was not going to replace his 911 by the new 964, claiming it was betraying the model. I tried everything to convince him, even when I bought my first 911, the 993 he did not want to drive it. Today I must be ...
Five points only?
Thanks for the reply. The automotive analogy is appropriate, especially given your background. Consumers of different generations perceive products, old and new, differently. The Prince and Bubbleback were really hot once in the eighties. Now they're over...
I forgot to mention that you get 5 points more after Baselworld 2010...
if the future gives you (us) right... cheers Luc
Damn, I never convinced my father to buy any 911 LOL
So now it's up to me, and even though I'm not that old I prefer the old Carrera 3.2 models over any younger models even though I now the later models are much better cars. You are right, the same goes for watches. So now we discusses cars and watches; wha...
Maybe we should avoid....
discussing women..... Besides there is a female moderator.... lol Cheers
You are right Pink Panther, never without my lawyer...
but I still want to add that it is Starman that started... LOL Cheers Luc
well written...and I have to agree
but with all things...and peopel..we evolve...and we will see how we feel once the new models are released... but I do think the SubND wears very well for a BIG (relative) watch with the bracelet...
lucky I am
... I saved one of the last.... great report and statement regards Stephan...
Beautifully written...
And I thought to sell my '96 T25 dialed Sea Dweller... It's the desire to move into an '08 DSSD that has me dancing with the notion, I suppose having both couldn't hurt! Thanks for sharing!