Patek Philippe

What are your thoughts on the 5196P?

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I really love this watch !

M.

Gotta love the Breguet numerals, two tone dial. Really simple but very classy.

Did you just acquire this piece?

Wear it well!

Aloha,

Bob

but not mine.... I am considering it....

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The proportions are perfect, the dial with these Breguet numbers, and the two silver tones is just sublime, as well as the delicate hands.

A solid case back?

Not a big deal, to me, as the movement is small, and not that spectacular to be seen.

I own it for more than 3 years, now, and I'm still strongly in love with it.

Now, if I has to choose only one PP, I would prefer the WT, 5130 or 5110.

But I'm completely sold to the WT!

Best, my friend.

Nicolas

PS: Is is already too late?

I mean, do you already own it?

     

 

not yet.....

I am thinking about it....

I would prefer a see through case but you are right... the movement is too small and there is not much to see....

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You are right but this case is a bit different......

it is number 3 on my list.....

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The caliber is too small for the case.

The competition is more attractive  for the handwind 3 hands watches segment in my point of view.

Fr.Xavier


This message has been edited by foversta on 2010-01-05 14:20:04

Personally; only a few come to mind...

The F.P. Journe Chronometre Souverain is a very nice watch right in this price range. Comes with an extra fourth hand for power reserve.

Philippe Dufour Simplicty (if one can get one) would be stunning.

Kari Voutilainen Observatoire (if one can get one) would also be stunning.

A. Lange & Sohne Richard Lange Pour Le Merite chain and fusee would be awesome! Then again, not in the same price range.

Is there nothing else from at least VC or AP to compete with this watch with regard to functions, beauty, relative size and movement finish?

I am not sure if PinkPanther is asking for comparison to the 5196P's competition or not, but within the Patek family, if I were considering the 5196P, I would pay  a bit more (perhaps more than "bit") for the 5098P, which to me, while not a Calatrava, is the most beautiful "simple" Patek.  I think the Chronometro Gondolo is perhaps not so close to the Patek DNA as the 5196P or indeed any of the Calatravas are, and perhaps that is one of the reasons I am drawn to it. 

Patrick, I admire your succinct comments on the virtues of the 5196P, particularly the reason for the lack of a caseback display.  That is one of the attributes I like most about the pre-15202 AP Royal Oak Jumbos, in which case there is a movement very worth seeing. 

Bottom line, the 5196P is a lovely simple Calatrava. 

Cheers,

respo

This message has been edited by respo on 2010-01-05 17:17:21

Unfortunately, in the region where I live, there aren't any Vacheron Constantin dealers and Audemars Piguet dealers nearby so unfortunately, my recent knowledge about these brands often goes overlooked.

There is the Vacheron Constantin Patrimony Classique which is definitely worth consideration but isn't available in platinum (to my knowledge) so I didn't particularly mention it.

The closest Audemars Piguet dealer is unfortunately quite a distance away and unfortunately the simple but beautiful Jules Audemars wristwatch did slip my mind.

I totally agree with you about the pre 15202 Royal Oak watches. In the United States, I was shocked to learn when an authorized dealer told me that the original was to be discontinued and that the new models would feature a sapphire crystal backing and a lower price.

The 5098P is indeed a very beautiful watch. I've seen it many times but I've yet to have tried it on my wrist.

I am comparing this one with other Pateks...

I did think of the gondolo but prefer this one more

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First of all, you have to consider the watches which are in the same price range.

So I would choose two:

The Lange Saxonia.



The Vacheron Patrimony 38mm.



I would like to come back to this one.

The Patrimony houses the new caliber 4400 which is a marvel coming from Vacheron.

The dial is balanced and perfectly finished.

You feel the harmony of the watch in which the caliber is perfect for its size.

If I had to choose between these 3 watches, my vote would go to the Vacheron.

Fr.Xavier

is truly beautiful....

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small caliber..... but gorgeous design....

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This particular watch draws its inspiration from the 1940s Patek Philippe wristwatch reference 570. In my opinion; it is the most beautiful simple formal round Patek Philippe wristwatch currently available.

The stunning Breguet numbers, leaf hands, and dial design are all authentic and iconic designs. I'm particularly pleased they utilized a solid case-back which furthermore reminds the wearer that this watch has nothing to prove, it is a watch that is confident of its provenance and doesn't need a window to prove the finishing of its 215 PS movement.

The only other simple watches I would consider with a small seconds would be the 5116. The 5116 is shockingly beautiful on my wrist and truly a beautiful piece. I originally thought the hobnail and overly classic design were intended for people of a different generation but I'm convinced that the watch is superlative for use in today's world after I tried it on when I was wearing a white shirt. A fabulous watch!

THe 5196P is a fantastic choice and one definitely worthy of acquisition!

I looked at purchasing this wach a couple of years ago.

I like the general look of the watch, but the position of the sub dial really erks me.

I did go and look at one in person and found it was a little thin for my liking.

Although I would prefer a full size sweep second hand. And to have a power reserve would be just the icing on the cake.

Saying all of that I hope soon to join the ownership ranks of a 5196.

A full-sized sweep second hand is designed for more practical daily use to help the reader read the seconds more easily and more accurately. On an evening watch such as the 5196P (not to say that this watch couldn't be worn during the day), the seconds is not as important thus the watch only has a small-seconds display.

That's my mentality at least. Sweep seconds are for less elegant but more purposeful watches when small seconds are more formal elegant wristwatches.

I'd say my favorite Patek with a sweep seconds without any complications is the 5127; screw-down crown, a date window at 3 o'clock, etc. What's not to like?

Lange 1815 pt. I know which one I'll take.

cheers

F

Hi,

I love the 5196P, I find it very beautiful and it is for me the best simple round current PP.

Still for me it will always come second to a 5098 (R at around the same price or P more expensive).

Try  a 5098 before! 

Cheers

Dje

but I am not too fond of this shape....

I prefer round watches....

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the whole style,  ...

but the watch looks too thin on my wrist.

Additional minus is the small movement, also if it is proven.

My competitor for the "platinum style" would be the latest ALS 1815 PT

Oliver

that it would be too small for my wrist....but it actually looks quite good....

True small movement but I can live with that....

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looks too big on my wrist. Like a "plate" :-(

Oliver

Manual: 5196P / Automatic: 5107P

 

thanks for sharing.....

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One of only a handful of screw-down crown calatravas and perfect in PT. I used to have one.  Sold it on a whim and regret it a bit