...kind of hard to tell : )

Not my cup of tea, nice otherwise.

I agree with your point of view and at the least not on the dial. Result, not a watch I will be buying.

I believe there are additional submersibles that are not esteel new on their site.  They’re 44mm.

Now the question is what do you think of these offerings? I admit, the white dial interests me, but I waiver back and forth since haven’t seen it in the metal.

The dial doesn't need to say "eSteel" on it.  It dates the watch and cheapens it. 

Apparently it has something to do with recycled material content. All Panerai eSteel watch cases have to have at least 52% by weight of recycled metals for the metal case. The range will be anywhere from 52% to 60%. It will also vary among models and years. Remember Rolex once rejected a huge amount of metric tonnes of steel due to some small titanium cross contamination from their steel vendor? Well, this is Panerai saying we are very flexible with what kind of steel grade we use.

And I'm not sure if I'm allowed to quote "perezcope.com" here, if not please, dear Mods, just delete my post.

The quotes are from two articles that appeared eight months and four days ago.

1.
„A good example from recent history would be the OP XXXIV which powered a number of Luminor Due and Submersible models. The OP XXXIV was made by Manufacture Horlogère ValFleurier, Richemont’s very own movement manufacturer. Richemont is a luxury group that owns Panerai and several other watch brands such as Cartier, Jaeger LeCoultre, Vacheron Constantin, IWC, etc.
It is said, Manufacture Horlogère ValFleurier, together with a bunch of Richemont experts, developed the aforementioned caliber for Richemont’s entry-level brand Baume & Mercier where it was marketed as Baumatic BM12-1975A. The interesting thing about its variant OP XXXIV is that Panerai dropped the name just recently. Today, and this is important, the very same movement goes by the name of P.900 and is showcased in Panerai’s in-house movement section.“

2.
And (4 days ago) - I quote this text from perezcope referring to Chronometers expressed disappointment here.

„Prices for Panerai watches keep going up but the quality seems to diminish with every new release. Laughable water resistance, fake screw-down casebacks (pressure-fit with dodecagonal shape), spring bars, ETA movements passed as “in-house”, opaque “display” casebacks to save precious material and now closed casebacks to hide completely undecorated calibers. These are not necessary cuts to secure the survival of a struggling company but rather tweaks to make even greater profits at the expense of their customers. Keep in mind, the average production cost for non-precious metal Panerai watches, including material and movement, is around USD 350. That is right, three five zero! The profits Richemont is making off all of their watch brands is exorbitant and yet, they keep squeezing the lemon. Cutting costs is one thing but trying to fool people and keeping substantial downgrades secret is another. Never mind the fact that historically, Panerai is not even a real watch brand but just a made-up Richemont hoax producing replicas of old Rolex Oyster watches. Panerai’s dishonesty and willingness to deceive their customers is staggering. Something is rotten in the canton of Neuchâtel.“

I'm still attracted to Panerai and we have not to agree with everything written in these articles, but this is at least food for thought for me…

All the best
Thomas

for your comprehensive and very insightful reply.

Hmmmmmm…
I believe that there are some interesting articles and reviews by Perezcope, where he also gives evidence of his claims from my point of view.

That Perezcope might have a bone to pick with Panerai is of course an important aspect to think about.

Personally, I have owned five different Panerai watches (Luminor and Radiomir models) in my “career as a watch collector” - from 2005 to the present day.

Today there are two models left that I am absolutely convinced of (127 and 721).

I personally have never had a quality problem and all of these five watches have always been accurate, reliable and worked flawlessly.

The fact that prices of everything keep going up and value keeps coming down is certainly a general phenomenon, but it doesn’t make things any better here.

Best
Thomas

I haven't posted in awhile. I am just so disappointed in Panerai. First they remove the hacking mechanism from the 9010 movement without telling anyone. Then come to find out they are putting undecorated movements in there watches. Perezcope also shows the p900 movement put in these expensive watches are also undecorated. I just hope it's not so. I still love my Panerais but just not a fan of the direction they are heading in.

...such as: "Keep in mind, the average production cost for non-precious metal Panerai watches, including material and movement, is around USD 350. That is right, three five zero!"

you made some valid points here.

I'm not a fan of „brand bashing“, but I find the "steps backwards" that have been made very secretly remarkable.

Suddenly, since 2020, the 9010 movement with the same name (!) no longer has any hacking seconds (seconds reset function) and shows a complete cancellation of any discernible decorations and is hidden behind closed casebacks. Without changing the information on the website. Why?

I think that we should (and must!) speak honestly about such developments here in our forum.
Especially if you love a brand.

Because these discussions among watch lovers take place behind more or less closed doors anyway.

And from my point of view, discussing these problems openly includes a .. small chance that a brand will correct its course again if they notice that customers do not appreciate it. At least that's my hope. And I say that as a big lover of a 127 with a beautifully decorated ETA movement 😉.

Cordially
Thomas

P.S.: You can read perezcopes’ review of the Fiddy which is written “full of love”.

I will simply ask to...stop here...with discussions that do not concern the original "showcase" post You are more than welcome to open..yet another..brand new 3d dedicated to the chagrin that the Panerai's present policies cause in all of us. So, let's express our thoughts on the models in the pictures and limit our interaction to: I like them, I wish they had chosen different colours or when will they consider a 40mm Sub etc etc Fair?

Regarding the presented models:
I like them not enough to buy them. 😉

The Submersibles that still appeal to me the most and I would like to own are the 47mm Bronzo 382 or even the Bronzo 507 (here not even the power reserve indicator on the dial bothers me.)

Ciao
Thomas

I had the mike horn pole to pole…loved it but too darn heavy even in titanium…these could be just right! Look awesome!