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How Valuable the Power Reserve Indicator
This is my first post on this forum, where I am clearly in the midst of very knowledgeable collectors (I am an newbie). I have been considering a watch purchase for some time, and what interested me most was the Patek 3940P and the Journe Platinum Octa Automatique Lune (white dial or maybe the blue mother of pearl). I just purchased the Patek 2 weeks ago as my first major watch purchase and consider that an heirloom for my son (I bought into the Patek marketing that you never own a Patek but are keeping it for the next generation). Maybe the Journe in the future as an every day watch assuming ht right one becomes available. What I like about the Journe (well there is a lot I like) is that I can clearly see the date as what I want to know most when looking at a watch is the time and the date (ideally without putting on my reading glasses to see the date). The Journe also has a power reserve indicator.
I really like the idea of a power reserve indicator even on an automatic watch. If I were to some day get one of these 2 watches as a "dream watch" that is even more of a dream watch than the 3940P, and it was a manual wind, I would think the power reserve indicator would be a fantastic valuable complication. In looking at these 2 watches, if I had to pick, I would take the Lange, even though Patek is perhaps the ultimate brand name perhaps with best resale etc. I like the look of this Lange but unless I am mistaken, that watch has a power reserve indicator whereas the Patek does not. From a practical standpoint, I would consider this feature of more value than knowing the month if I had to pick (I may forget the date but not the month). However, it does not seem that when I see posts on this, that feature gets much attention as being an asset of value. I was curious as to why not. Thanks.
Lange 1815 Rattrapante PC vs Patek 5204: the clash
The recent presentation of the Lange Sohne 1815 Rattrapante PC gives me the opportunity to make a syde-by-side comparison with his Patek alter-ego, the 5204. If Patek remains the most prestigious brand, Lange, since the unveiling of its first contemporary...
Excellent comparison Xavier
You answered many questions on my mind, which is now made up I have one question though - would you prefer the PT or RG version of the Lange, and why? Million thanks and cheers Sam ...
Thanks Sam! My fav version is...
...the Platinum one. Why? Even if I'm a PG guy, I prefer due to the size of the watch a neutral colour. Moreover, I think that the blued hands of the chronograph combine better with a platinum case. Even if the watch becomes heavier, I prefer the PT versi...
Wow! Lots of food for thoughts here! Heavy stuff, like...
comparing a Ferrari to a Porsche, or a BMW to a Mercedes Benz or other more Exotic v another Exotic. I have a leaning already but this is unfair as it has more to do with "politics" than real High Horology. So, for now, I will quietly read your article, d...
Thanks François!
I had a lot of pleasure to write it and the unveiling of the 1815 gave me this opportunity. Fx
Thank you for this very nice write up FX. In the end.....
I think that I would have come to the same conclusions, yes I definitely prefer the dial lay out of the Patek but the hands are not very nice and combined with the heavy and uneven index markers makes it look heavy compared to the Lange. I have not had th...
A little scoop?
... i heard that on the production version of the 5204P, we'll have gold hands and indexes. This should give a totally new feel, even though i love this one. What bothers me in Lange is : - Power reserve took the prime location for nothing. Anyway with su...
Thanks a lot for your comments!
I think that there is another reason for Lange to not use the big date: to preserve a reasonable movement height. With a big date, the movement would have been much thicker. Thanks a lot for your detailed comments! I agree with some on them even if at the...
You presented two worthy contenders...
for a fascinating dual. A difficult one to call as it goes down to the wire. I wish you had the PT. Lange for comparison instead of RG. Anyway, both are winners in my books. Hmmm, if forced to take one, I may choose the ....... something to sleep on I thi...
Sadly Fernando...
I could only publish the wristshot of the PT version but not the other pics. If I have the chance to shoot it again, I will publish them. Thanks for your comments! Fx ...
Wonderful review
Thank you for the write up. It is a wonderful comparison of two horological heavyweights. Although an unabashed Lange fan, I prefer the 5204p in this incarnation. Nevertheless, I would be delighted to own either one! OpC
great, fair and informative comparison
thanks a lot! In the end I would still prefer the Lange but the Patek comes very close in this comparison. Best Andreas
Thanks Andreas, I couldn't expect another choice from you!
BTW, I was in Köln a few weeks ago but for profesionnal reasons: I couldn't contact you because I didn't have any free time. Next time I hope! Fx
A Function Question
Excellent post, Francois! I do have a question however. With the new generation of perpetual chronos, Patek took a massive step.....backward. Previously with the 3970 and 5970, all calendar indications could be advanced one day with a pusher at 11 o'clock...
No Jeff, I didn't ask. I come back to you very quickly with the answer.
Thanks for your comments! Fx
Dear Jeff, I have the answer from Tino.
So I copy and paste it: Yes, the new 1815 Rattrapante Perpetual Calendar is equipped with the same system for resetting all calendar indications together as the Datograph Perpetual. The difference is that because of the Rattrapante pusher at 10 o'clock th...
Thanks, Francois
Yes indeed. This is a very important plus for Lange in this comparison. Actually it is a huge point one that decides the issue completely. Game, set, match......Lange.
Completely agree.
In addition, the bulbous-bottom chrono seconds hands in Patek are so bulky that they become distracting (just look at the black ink splash at the middle of the picture) and block the 31,1 dates when re-set. Older 5004 had the very slender chrono seconds h...
My winner is the 5004...
Thank you Foversta for this interesting comparison. A battle among the giants! I love the aesthetics of the 5004, the movement was interesting despite it not being in-house, the size, dial layout, and buttons are all beautiful and classic. The 5204 has a ...
Thanks Patrick for your comments!
Me too I was very seduced by the 5004 but it is a watch I've never trusted... But what a beauty! Fx
What a terrific essay here!
Thank you for this wonderful post. I am an expert of neither brand, but a fan of both. My honest choice here is definitely the Lange. It has a much more special feel to my heart than the Patek does. Considering your detailed remarks, I'm sure I could conv...
Thanks a lot Michael!
You know, even after a detailed side by side comparison, only the heart speaks... Fx
Wonderful writeup!
I can't imagine owning either, so I appreciate your excellent comparison and pictures.
Thanks a lot Docfink!
Me either I can't imagine to own one of them but I had the same pleasure to write the article! Fx
I give my vote to the Lange
I prefer the Lange design and finishing to the Patek. The finishing on the Lange movement stands out more without being gaudy, as you said. It looks like more effort was put in to that side of the watch. I would prefer the longer power reserve of the Pate...
Thanks Stewart for your comments!
There is pros and cons about the power reserve display: after all, we know that we have to wind it everyday but I think it is a good idea on a PC watch. Fx
First of all I would like to thank you (Fr.Xavier) ...
for your comprehensive comparison which also offers some food for thought. I understand that you didn´t have proper pictures from the Lange PT version, but maybe the comparison would have been slighty different in result - at least in some points. FX, I h...
Dear Oliver, I very much appreciate your input and thoughts.....
and the picture you have manage to give us of the 2 watches in question with the added white metal one, thank you. I do agree with you that these two magnificent time keepers do not attain the pinnacle of horological movements, I think that the Patek Phil...
Thanks a lot Oliver for your detailed and illustrated answer.
I understand your point of view on both Manufactures. You are right to be demanding with such brands. Thanks a lot for your feelings. Fx
I really like the 5204
but, in no way , does it LOOK like it's price tag, to me. Whereas the Lange LOOKS like its price tag. If I were a buyer for these, it would be Lange.
"He' s not the Messiah-He's just a naughty boy!"
This counts for both of them. The Lange is not state of the art enough with low pr and no isolator and the Patek too traditional by paying an unreasonably amount of credit to tradition resulting in 60 little flaws. What is than the key factor in buying on...
My vote's for the 1815 RPC...
.... In my opinion, its dial outshines the Patek, and is daringly original and fresh without being tacky. Another clear winner by ALS.
Thanks a lot Rhyzen!
Me too, I have a soft love for the 1815 dial: I find it more appealing to my eyes. Fx
Thanks Baron!
Even if this movement is maybe not as impressive than the DS one, it is still a beautiful one. Fx
I hate to say it, but I prefer the Patek.
I was enthusiasmed by the Lange when I saw it through the windows of the Lange booth at the SIHH, but your detailed pictures make me prefer the Patek. On all the cirterias you mentionned, even on the movement layout. I odn't like these two lost bridges in...
Thanks a lot for your input.
Me either, I'm not a great fan of the 2 holes... but I have to confess that they make the subdials clearer... an unique hand per subdial is a very positive result. Fx
Me being me, the winner would naturlich be the Lange
Hands down. Anytime. Danke for the interesting clash report though! Tschuss Stephen
Thanks Stephen!
Like you my heart goes to Lange.. and I tried to put some unbiased reasons in my choice! ;) fx
It's a great pleasure to read through
Thanks a lot for your detailed comparision of the two great watches!
Overall, I prefer Patek 5204 even though these 2 are very close.
Especially for dial and movement lay out, Patek has shown an aesthetically more pleasant work. Patek has "something" that Lange is missing. Having said that, Lange is till my favourite brand. Regards Ling
Thanks Ling for your comments!
The little something is maybe what we call the "prestige"? Fx
I am afraid not, Xavier.
"Prestige" does not make one watch looks nicer than the other. It may be due to their rich traditional background which has created strong culture within the organisation. This one, they did it right but not many others. I am confused. Regards Ling
Thanks for the review it's very detailed and Lange is my favorite.
Patek is the number one for its technical horology,on the other hand i like the colours of Lange so my choice would be course this is a cosmetic choice...
You know, cosmetic is very important...
It is after all what we see first and most of the time... Thanks! Fx
Thanks for the very comprehensive comparison!
I agreed with all your points and comments. Please keep them coming. BTW, Lange is a better watch in my view too. Thanks and best regards, Punpakorn
Thank you FX for your usual excellent report....
And photos. Both are magnificent pieces and very worthy contenders. I am not proficient enough to pass judgement on which one is better than the other. Plenty for's and against have already been said. The movements on both pieces are true wprks of art and...
Great post. I've been struggling with my thoughts on this one...
Whenever I look at this Lange movement I am ever so slightly underwhelmed. I don't like how the balance is buried, it takes away from the visual balance. Also the movement doesn't seem to have quite the depth, that miniature city under sapphire feel, that...
I like things clean
I love things that are clean, straightforward and just harmonious. For me the Patek wins hands down. I am a big fan of Lange but not this model range. A zeitwerk, yes! A simple 1815 yes! A datograph, yes please! But here Patek wins my heart with its more ...
Did anybody see the wire spring?
How can you accept it in such an high end movement? lange has lost more credits at my eyes.... ...
Not the first time that Lange cuts corners ...
... the third time, in my recollection. But thank you for pointing this out as it is easily overlooked. Moritz
Yes.. When I first saw it..
I thought it was very unsightly... And the balance wheel is totally hidden
I would say more...
it's unacceptable in what we recognize as one of the best manufacturer of watches. they are artful because many pictures hide the wire spring!
Just stumbled across this years later and was WOWED!
It was an incredible read and a perfect comparison. Thanks a bunch Xavier!
I had the immense pleasure of trying on the 1815 Rattrapante..
.. at the Lange boutique at the Dubai Mall recently. A true dream watch if there ever was one :D Bit out of reach at the moment but will look for a 1st gen Datograph soon. Anyway I had a long discussion with the sales lady about the watch and she mentione...
Thanks a lot for your wristshot!
And can you please thank the nice lady the next time you see her? ;) I really enjoyed your message! Fx
How Valuable the Power Reserve Indicator
This is my first post on this forum, where I am clearly in the midst of very knowledgeable collectors (I am an newbie). I have been considering a watch purchase for some time, and what interested me most was the Patek 3940P and the Journe Platinum Octa Au...
welcome and congrats
On ur new acquisitions.. Abt your power reserve question, the 1815 perpetual split Chrono has a power reserve of 42hrs only.. Which means you will need to wind the watch Everyday and thus makes the power indicator unnecessary..
Power Reserve
I would think that even if a manual wind was to be wound every day (no fun I imagine if you do not wear the watch every day and go away at times for a few days), it would seem useful to know when wearing the watch the amount of power reserve (especially i...
Thanks so much for a wonderful review. Just one more question...
How do you compare the feel of the chrono pushers for these 2 watches, in particular when you activate the split second mechanism. Which one requires more strength and which one is more coherent in terms of activating the chrono pusher followed by the spl...
The 2nd clash!!!
After acquiring the 1815 Rattrapante, yesterday I had the once-in-a-lifetime-opportunity the compare it directly with it`s pendant: The Patek 5204P. Another clash Both the Platinum Versions, these versions are the ones I like most of each watch. The most ...