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My concept of superior quality...
Goes beyond the level of intelligent complications achievement:
I can FEEL more "quality" in a 1815 (newer model) than in a Duometre.
I know this is ultra-provocative, because the Duomètre, of course, is a far more interesting and innovative watch, but the finishing and attention to detail is objectively lower.
Even the applied numerals, the strap and the buckle (to name some examples) of a JLC MR, for all the magnificence of the movement and the watch, feel inferior to the same elements on an entry-level Lange.
Is this a shocking statement?
The movement finishing of an entry-level Lange is IMO superior to the movement finishing of the most complicated JLC. This kind of quality is what i pursue.
Perfection and attention to detail, even on simple watches, are very important, they are a starting base on which to build higher complications.
This is how i see things, humbly...
This message has been edited by passetemps on 2012-01-15 11:16:16
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When will Lange give us an ALARM watch?
It is a antastic and classic complication that no brand has yet managed to perfect, and that Lange has not visited yet. Does anybody have a clue as to if and when that could happen? The Lange 1 seems the most obvious choice for an alarm version. It even s...
But they are not Langes...
Nor do they have the pure class of Lange watches. We need a Lange alarm. That should be the finest alarm in the world. Full stop. This message has been edited by passetemps on 2012-01-13 15:47:02
I do not wish they do one
I love a minute repeater, but an alarm would "cheapen" the brand. My 2 rupiahs, Stephen
Of course, a MINUTE REPEATER from Lange is needed too!
Of course, that is a more NOBLE complication and i would love that! BUT an alarm is a totally different story in terms of everyday practicity. And i feel that there is plenty of room to develop an alarm movement at the level of creativity and quality that...
Do you think...
That the Zeitzone cheapens the brand? It is also a "less noble" complication offered as a different solution from what others had done before, and with the Lange DNA. Fine for me.
I don't agree...
It is a complex complication... if you propose an innovative and a different solution, why do you think it would "cheapen" the brand? Didn't have this feeling with UN and HW! Fx
I agree with you
The alarm is an especification (Untermerkmal ¿?) for tool watches. I think Lange is another thing, is much more.
Any "complication"if done well...
doesn t cheapen but enrich the brand. certainly the striking Zeitwerk was a faux pas,so Lange shot already itself ion the foot with that first step into ding dong watches. Maybe a very clever alarm would have been a better first step,dont you think? Mo
I can not let you say " That no brand has yet managed to perfect ".
And to link that with the hope that Lange will do something is just a total ignorance of what 2 brands did it in the past. Go to an UN and HW AD, and listen to these two pieces. You will understand. Best, Nicolas.
"Perfect" includes aesthetics, too, Nico...
The two models that you mention are not for everyone on the ground of aesthetics, you must agree. I have not heard them, and for all the wonderful that they may sound, for all the intelligent complications that they include, not many would love to have th...
Jaeger perfected the alarm ages ago
You have to look at (and of course hear) the memovox and reveil range of models that Jaeger has , to appreciate the pitch, tone and loudness of the alarm, not to forget that the duration of the alarm is almost 30 seconds. To top it, the designs are unders...
Agreed, but...
For all the more that i ike these wonderful classics, they never gave me the feeling of supreme quality that you get from holding a Lange. The movements, the cases, the dials, the straps, the buckles, the feel, the finishings, etc. can't compare with Lang...
You can t compare Lange and JLC
2different brands,2different histories and traditions,heritage,number of production ,everything. The comparison is not applicable.Lange, as we know it today,is a very young brand that chose a segment of the market and it s delivring quality watches for th...
Thanks for your comments.
What you say is true, but i know both brands and i was comparing JLC's'top of the range (the models you mentioned), with Lange. The level of finishing and perfection that you find in Lange, IMHO, you find nowhere else. And i still believe that an alarm wa...
My concept of superior quality...
Goes beyond the level of intelligent complications achievement: I can FEEL more "quality" in a 1815 (newer model) than in a Duometre. I know this is ultra-provocative, because the Duomètre, of course, is a far more interesting and innovative watch, but th...
" The movement finishing of an entry-level Lange is IMO superior to the movement finishing
... of the most complicated JLC "... My God! Did you ever see a Gyro II? You should really stop saying such things which reveal a poorly finished knowledge in watches, and a curious personnality. Best, Nicolas This message has been edited by amanico on 20...
I wrote "IMO", it is just my opinion.
Please respect my opinions, as much as i respect yours. Or is there only one way of thinking here? Thanks!
Before saying anything, or even thinking, you should better go and see
The watches you're speaking about. Then you come back, and you elaborate, with some comparison pictures, and a demonstration. We can discuss in an endless way, to, finally, say nothing, and you can't hide behind an " IMO " to say everything, and... Nothii...
OKAY, i'll get back with microscope shots of movement details
You can also do the same. I'm only referring to quality of the finishing (la finition), the overall feel, not technicity. I love Jeager for many things, but each model i've examined has failed to produce the impression of superior quality that i expected....
That is a shocking statement!
For how much opinionated you might be ,that is a strong statement. Without going too much about what you said about entry level Lange and top JLC ,which I find almost laughable,but that is your opinion as you said,a watch is not just about quality of fini...
Thank you for your sound and balanced opinion!
I happen to prefer the former, and i expect the latter AFTER the former. But this is just me. Others might feel the other way round. AGAIN, I AM NOT SAYING THAT ONE BRAND IS SUPERIOR TO ANOTHER. There are many criteria, of course. AFAIAC, I don't mind a w...
You're on a subjective ground, here.
How can you say that not many would have to have these 2 alarm on their wrist? Go to the UN and the HW forum, they are many to want one of these! I don't like the Blancpain Reveil Du Tsar, which I find too old looking. would I say that because of my perso...
Yes, i am subjective, i know, sorry!
What i really meant by "perfect" is "perfect for me". I am looking for the perfect alarm watch for me, not for you! The UN and the HW are certainly great, but i don't like their looks. This is just me. I like watches that i can still like in 10, 20, 50 (h...
I would like to second Amanico in this story.
First of all, everybody would agree that there is no complication in the world with a definitive answer. That's the purpose of watchmaking: every brand wishes to bring its skills, its inovation to go a bit further. Having said that, I do believe that the ...
Well... don't agree.
It is a question of taste. But these hands are at least different from the hands seen thousands of times, they contribute to the daring style of the watch, to its personality... and they preserve the legibility of the dial. For me, I can't imagine the Son...
The perfect alarm...
The "perfect" alarm is a very difficult bird to create. It should incoporate the best of the existing solutions, and combine them in something elegant, both technically (an elegant solution) and aesthetically (an elegant watch)... Last but not least, bein...
Look at history...
There is not a particular significance played in German watch history when it comes to alarm watches. Thus it would not be a hark to history for Lange to come out with an alarm watch. Besides, there are other more historically significant complications th...
I am sure that you are RIGHT.
And that is a pity This message has been edited by passetemps on 2012-01-14 12:43:15
Why should the Glashutte Senator Calendar not the THE Alarm!!
Glashutte has something more to offer. The senator calendar offers not only an alarm but one that can be set in advance for unto 31 days. A manufacture movement too. Regds