Bulgari

Screenshot from shows the old calibre 138 movement with 36 jewels. Screenshot of the new 138 movement with 31 jewels. The bridges aren’t separated in the same places and the bevels and movement interior are less visible. Both new movement screenshots tak...  

My version, purchased 9/21, has the "old" movement.

Don’t think so. Other micro rotor replicas look much different. Also, he said the finish is on par with other top brands.

Finish remains good for the price, roughly on par with JLC, the (majority) mass-produced AP movements, and GO. Best, Tim

Did you find the finishing on the new movement to be of a lower quality? Visually, it seems less arresting, and the bridges are far less ornate. The old movements were a cut above JLC, in my opinion.

Because one day there probably will be a fake! Once the Octo Finissimo bandwagon takes off!

Caveat - it is entirely possible that Tim Mosso's version is a fake. In this day and age, this is nothing short of shocking to me. It would be one thing to roll this movement out in a new watch - however, to put a "new" movement into existing lines withou... 

Pretty sure Tim was not fooled. The watch looks legit.

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Have taken her swimming to the beach many times, and our pool, plus there's the on/off road bicycling. So far she has been incredibly durable and keeps excellent time. Winding is fine too, stay active my friends. If the new movements turns out to be true,... 

saw this on , hands on review. What does it say that Bulgari decided to use the old one for this important release? ...  

Would like to see a second watch with the “new” movement.

but I've watched that review a couple times. The watch is as real looking as it gets. Tim has already commented in the thread with some additional info.

…in design to the new Bulgari perpetuals. Image from revolutionwatch.com ...  

In order to make it more interesting: please see attached photo of my OF 10th anniversary. Apparently with the new movement..... ...  

Just checked the Bulgari website they show the new version on the anniversary model. ...  

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The old movement, the one with more jewels, didn't wind perfectly, as almost all automatic winding micro rotors suffer. It's not a problem unique to Buglari. A lot of micro rotors have winding issues. Thus, some clients would complain the movement would s... 

show the old version in website descriptions and even, seemingly, put both into the anniversary model without any mention? It's hard to understand.

Definitely unusual! I might have called it BVL 138 V2 or 138B or something to denote there's a difference. But then again, I'm not the one in charge!

Contrary to your thread where you thank him for initially pointing out the changes, he made no mention whatsoever. Just to clarify. Whether he was aware of the alterations at the time of the review is not known.

The other threads cited they found out through Tim’s video and I must have made the incorrect assumption that Tim mentioned it. Oops. Sorry! Thanks for straightening out the record there!

So, thought it important to clarify that instead of praise perhaps some criticism is more appropriate, assuming he was aware of the changes.

And especially on Watchbox, a platform with the intention of selling a watch, one has to assume they will naturally never be critical of their own product in a video. It's neither the place nor the time, and the questions it raises wouldn't be able to be ... 

I’m guessing he wasn’t aware it was new. As for the rest, the issue with this, as has been repeatedly stated by many, is that major changes were made, without mention, without any numerical or alphabetical alterations and that the Bulgari website pictures... 

Patek Philippe had made a modification from the 315 to the 324 movements. They were relatively minor. But enough for them to make a new caliber number for it. The two movements look physically the same to my eyes. These Bulgari movements to me looks somew... 

In videos, I try to focus on functional changes that alter how the product works or ages during use time. Also, it's not clear to me when this running change was made, and I like to link changes to identifiable model years or production periods. The chang... 

Probably for better winding is my guess...

I am very happy with the original movement on mine. Beautiful. If Bvlgari made changes to improve the movement it should be transparent. But in my opinion the original is much nicer looking.

Particularly with the larger winding rotor, I get the feeling that some of these changes might be driven by the desire to use the BVL138 as a tractor movement for complications. With the perpetual calendar launched and more complications likely, it is pos...