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Can you identify these Pateks??

 

Hi All,
I am doing research for a friend about these Pateks that he owns.
The first is a pocket watch marked as follows: date is etched Jan 1891, serial/reference number(?) of 108103.
The second watch was presented to him in the late 60's from his company for a sales goal he met.
Does any one know the refrence number? The back is plain, has an engraving of thanks but no PP markings. He is interested in palcing these watches for sale in the future but does not know value, date of production and reference or model names.
I don't know the first thing about PP, as I am a Panerai owner and am always over at the sister site.
Any help is greatly appreciated!!
If this post violates any of your forum rules, please edit and I'll take any responses via email.
Thanks for your time,
Anthony




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