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Patek Philippe Calatrava 570G. Vintage Dials - Variation / Substituted dials?
I am looking for a vintage Calatrava 570G and I was hoping someone could help with an issue I have seen with the dials.
Many have white / cream dials that are flat and plain. This is a good example (although very few are in this good condition):
Byt there are a several that have dials that look slightly more silvery and there are slight variations on the surface of the dial. These two are good examples:
Does anyone know if that difference in the look of the dial indicates that the watch is not authentic, or has a substituted dial?
Or is it just a variation that was genuinely present in 570s made over time?
(An additional details - the second and third watch both have an embossed Patek logo and dont have the 'Swiss' marking at the bottom - whereas most have a printed logo and do have 'Swiss' at the bottom. But not all - the first one, for example, also has an embossed logo and doesnt have Swiss at the bottom).
Obviously, the first one is preferable to most people. But I wondered if the second and third might be faked or altered?
Any thoughts, help, expertise very much appreciated.
Thank you.
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Patek Philippe Calatrava 570G. Vintage Dials - Variation / Substituted dials?
I am looking for a vintage Calatrava 570G and I was hoping someone could help with an issue I have seen with the dials. Many have white / cream dials that are flat and plain. This is a good example (although very few are in this good condition): Byt there...
When Patek Philippe in New York wisely had David Jarred on staff, he would know. His knowledge was incredible!
He helped me with a vintage 3820r, which also had a great and extremely rare dial variation. Call Patek NYC, ask to speak with whomever they hired to replace David could be helpful.
Do you think it might just be the different lighting those photos were taken under?
As you’re aware, the same watch dial can look dramatically different in different lighting, either highlighting or masking surface texture, color/tone, etc.
Warm welcome to WatchProSite !
To be honest, I think it is impossible to say anything reliable when judging only from photos. But based on your photos, my personal feeling which could be wrong it that the second and third dials are authentic whereas the first one looks like it isn’t… T...
I see what you mean, but the dial of no. 1 looks
too clean to me. Have you compared with the many examples sold and displayed by John Nagayama on his website: https://onbehalf.jp/en/item/reference/570/ You could probably ask him for advice, either by mail (you can find his email address on his website) ...
I think all 3 pics are Ok.
Yes , John Nagayama in Tokyo is probably the world expert in these models Dials can be enamel - the letters not the dial itself ( before 1965 approx) or printed Enamelled letters are more desirable but much rarer . I think the different shades of the dial...
I actually prefer the second and third examples...
I believe that the dial of first watch that you pictured has a printed signature while the second and third have the embossed enamel versions. To me, the embossed enamel dials have more depth and character to them.