Horological Meandering

polarize people so much? The topic has come up yet again (it is a perennial issue) in regards to the AP Royal Oak Offshore, and I raised this question on the AP forum specifically for that reason. click here for the original post on the AP forum. But as a...  

. . . I'm going for option number three . Jack

Seriously, most of the time, I tend to agree with you. Especially when positions are presented as though they are the one and only position possible for any intelligent and sensible person. uh, huh. :-( Thanks for commenting. TM

. . . and there are some serious replies to your query here that make me want to be a little more serious. I personally don't think being absolutist on the issue makes much sense; it's really about the whole package, I think. If the watch as a whole is ap... 

Personally, I find the integrated chronograph movement nicer to look at, you can follow the action (as for the repeaters you pictured). As the AP RO(O) chronographs have alsmost always a solid back this doesn't play. A second point is that the pushers and... 

Hi, Dirk, Thanks for your comments. Ironically, the IWC, being a modular design, allows the striking works to be visible on the dial side, if one were to use a clear dial or cut outs; some consider this an advantage. In general, modular designs do require... 

...of integrated movements. Both have display backs, but the IWC shows no sign of being a repeater apart from the operating slide. The other one beautifully displays some of the essential parts of the chiming mechanism. Personally, integrated complication... 

I am always interested in reading thoughts on a subject, no matter how many times the basic question has been revisited. ""Personally, integrated complications give me the impression of a compromise. Money has been saved by not designing a new or adapted ... 

..in fact I misstated (miswrote?). I always feel that modular movements are a compromise. Sorry, sometimes I can proof for spelling and grammar (to the best of my ability) but don't seem able to check that I am actually writing what I mean.

... Especially in high horology, where execution is paramount. The way I see it, integrated and modular are just different design strategies, nothing more, nothing less. Whether one is to be preferred over th'other for me completely depends on the outcome... 

"with its flawed movement design in a sporty looking case for prices ranging into the high quintuple digits is a strong candidate for biggest ripoff in all horology." when so many SUBJECTIVE aspects are stated as indisputable fact, are what more often tha... 

... and if I stepped right into them, my apologies. I always like to opinionate a bit, it's the best way to stimulate a discussion That said, I do agree with you on the achievement that Cal. 2126/2840 represented 30 years ago. Or even 20 years ago, for th... 

That though my words are merely in response to very strong words from you, that I am the one being pointed out as expressing "very strong feelings." Just to be clear, My comments were primarily in response to your rather strong words, not the basic ideas ... 

I was hoping to find exact part counts for this, but it seems that the yearbooks don't quite have the numbers I need. That in mind, we'll compare jewel counts instead. It appears that both AP and ETA use about 16 jewels in a chronograph module implementat...  

I had a second concept, expandability, and I forgot to mention it... I've never seen a modular chronograph with an additional complication, like a split-second. Starting with an integrated chrono seems like a much more robust solution if you wish to expan... 

... the Jaquet movement used by Graham in the Foudroyante and Lightning models; by GP in the Scuderia Ferrari; and later also by Panerai in the PAM246. If I'm not mistaken all of these watches share versions of the same movement, based on a V7750 to which... 

the 7750 is a chrono movement, which was heavily modified. I was trying to think of a chronograph module that could accept a rattapante module/extension A

... you're right, my bad. I overlooked the modular chrono part of your question. Another interesting candidate is the JLC Duometer in its various guises. Again I'm not sure here, especially since we all know the Duometer started its production life as a c... 

... you're right, my bad. I overlooked the modular chrono part of your question. Another interesting candidate is the JLC Duometer in its various guises. Again I'm not sure here, especially since we all know the Duometer started its production life as a c... 

It is clearly a modular design, but the modules seem more integrated into the movement, rather than simply being added to an existing movement and can only be used with the Duometre base. I think I'm not really going to think of them as modules, more like... 

ap.watchprosite.com Would welcome any thoughts! Bottom line is that I see it as two separate integral elements connected by an extremely simple interface... Best, Gary G

Personally I have two reactions to the modular versus integrated issue. One is a practical engineering response and the other is an emotional one. [I could perhaps add a third: movement architecture, as this can have both engineering and aesthetic consequ... 

My posts from the AP forum... http://ap.watchprosite.com/show-forumpost/fi-3/pi-3627566/ti-582776/s--6/ http://ap.watchprosite.com/show-forumpost/fi-3/pi-3629766/ti-582776/s--8/ As always, all thoughts welcomed! Best, Gary G