Horological Meandering

. . . and scammers. It has come to my attention that a member of our community has likely been conned. The seller was able to convincingly demonstrate possession of the watch, yet has not delivered to nor communicated with the buyer for over a week. Pleas...  

. . . then insist on bona fides from someone who is. And stick to Paypal, paying with a credit card. There are legitimate reasons for a seller to prefer a wire transfer, but a legit seller should be open to Paypal conditionally. Art

But PayPal in many cases really do not work well for sellers esp on international transactions. I, for one, do not accept PayPal payment due to extremely poor experience with them. At the end of the day I think type of payment accepted or refused does not... 

. . . trust me. ;-)

. . . and often, we're able to ferret them out before they can do harm. But, unfortunately, not always. Art

wich watch ?

. . . but the seller had zero presence on the discussion forums, couldn't provide a community reference, and insisted on a wire transfer. Art

.nt.

. . . eclipsing the guy who sank Barings (can't recall his name), Boesky, Milken, and Keating. In a class by himself, to the best of my knowledge.

. . . if memory serves correct. Ken Lay wouldn't have been able to pull off the subterfuge on his own . . . he had many minions. To the best of my knowledge, Bernie is in a class by himself, at least in recent times. Krueger might be the all-time schnook ... 

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. . . Ivar Krueger, whose frauds in the early decades of the last century were as spectacular as Bernie's.

Dear Art We used to have a very good reference system here. One would be able to see who served as a reference for other members, when we clicked on “show profile”. That has somehow disappeared - I really wish that it could come back. This way, if you had... 

. . . to The Powers That Be, Christian. Mostly well here, hope the same holds for you, too. Warmest, Art

So glad to hear you’re well. Mostly well here also, apart from “a few stones in the shoes”.

...it is indeed worth noting that, unlike many of his "colleagues", this one even passed the initial "post your watch at this specific time" test. Yours is a valuable reminder to *always* be extra cautious when buying second hand from strangers --- and to... 

. . . usually, these lowlifes can be sorted out with photo requests. Not this time . . . he passed muster with multiple images both publicly here and privately with the buyer. To all: if the seller's not recognizable from the discussion forums, insist on ... 

They are notorious for chargebacks and ALWAYS siding with the buyer in disputes. Need an escrow service.

. . . frankly, it's the buyer in a transaction that's assuming the lion's share of risk. I understand there's potential for a finicky buyer to leverage Paypal to his advantage over a contentious deal. But is the risk accepted by buyers forgoing the protec... 

But if buyer also has good rep then it’s ok I think now the best practice is what Chrono24 is doing with secure checkout I think we should do the same here where the transaction goes through Puristspro and held until both parties have no complaints Same a... 

. . . responsibility for confirming a watch was genuine, which would consume time as well as expense. Best, Art

This could also benefit the forum to generate revenue streams to help the platform

I am speaking from personal experience on multiple instances as a reputable seller that PayPal is problematic. When you say the risk shared by buyers is a lot significant than that by the seller, it would appear that you may have overlooked instances wher... 

. . . to those of fraudulent sellers? I rather doubt it. Frankly, if I were buying from someone I didn't know personally, or who wasn't vouched for by someone I knew, Paypal would be the only method of payment I'd consider. Cordially, Art

... to say the least. Kind regards, Dan

One can never be too cautious!

very much apprectated! GEO

Of course we are all tempted to buy at the best price but even more important is to get the right piece at the agreed condition. No one including myself of course can say he never made a mistake but for buying a watch, there are indeed few golden rules th... 

Generally the Purists is one of the safest places to trade watches thanks to the hard work and vigilance of our steadfast Moderators. S

You can ask for an address linked to the seller then look it up on Google and also Google maps and use your own judgement to see (1) if he has connection to the address, and (2) if the address looks like the kind of place where the seller of a high-end wa... 

. . . and thanks for repeating it in this thread. Art

. . . should be a full-time job for someone. I'm just a part-time volunteer, Salman. I've uncovered scores of scammers, but my efforts aren't nearly enough to catch them all. Art

. . . please let me know. And that goes for every established member of our community - your eyes and ears can be invaluable. Gratefully, Art

paid usd13k for a watch that didn't arrived. Has a few references, one with a few hundred post counts. God help us all. Best, Horo

. . . who wasn't a participating member of our community. And for considerably more than your experience, Horo. It pains me every time I hear such stories.

Was contacted by an Italian “investment advisor” based in Milan. He wanted me to travel to Milan to deliver the watch and conclude the deal in a cash transaction. The issue for his “client” was that he can’t travel with that sort of cash, when I suggested... 

Of course I didn’t even consider it for one bit but found it to be very interesting

Mann for one moment, I though Madoff is out and building his pyramid again in this forum! In age of internet or IOT, beware. In fact, be safe or be saved.

. . . the big house, that is. ;-) ...