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Italy surrendered to the Allies in Sept. 1943...
and in consequence, the Nazi regime sent several Divisions to occupy their former ally and secure their "soft underbelly". This is a very important piece of the puzzle to understand what really happened during those days in Florence. For Panerai this was not a business, they were forced to deliver whatever was requested. Refusing to cooperate with the occupiers would have been considered an act of sabotage, a death sentence basically. According to Maria Teresa Panerai, the Germans arrested several Panerai employees to put pressure on Giuseppe Panerai. Also, the Germans never paid for anything. Then, in July 1944, shortly before Florence was liberated by the British 8th Army, the Germans raided the Panerai workshop and confiscated everything usefull. Watches, instruments, machines, etc. They shipped everything to the Arturo Junghans watch factory in Venice. Venice, where the Kampfschwimmers had a training camp on a small island, was still under German control behind the heavily fortified Gothic Line.
Considering all these circumstances, Richemonts decision to make a reedition of the Kampfschwimmer watches was not very respectful towards the Panerai family. But then again, the modern Panerai claims this type of watches were made in 1938...
Read more: tinyurl.com (PAM 721 – The Origins)
Cheers
Jose Pereztroika
I hope....
your wife (if you're married) gets at least the same amount of attention, your Panerais get...LOLLLL Nice "dreamy" picture
Let us say that this remark....
went way....above....my head and live it there, shall we?
I'm so amazed at how close this one is to the original Type D 3646
The only nitpick would be that the open loops on the "6" and "9" are not as open as the original.
She comes nicely close to the original.
Good eye with the loops. It’s true and not true. There are different models. The one shown on pereszopes report has indeed more open loops. That might have been a nice add on. the D 3646 on his poster has again the same one as the 721. More open dials wou...
Kampfschwimmer sandwich dials
There are indeed two types of Kampfschwimmer sandwich dials. The first batch with almost closed loops and the second batch with open loops. The second batch is more common, at least in my database. More details about these dials can be found here: perezco...
thx Jose for the clarification.
what is your general view about the 721? I am aware about your article. But straight forward your view about this homage? Top or flop? Greetings
Imo too thick compared to original Kampfschwimmer watches
The issue seems to be the height of the P.3000 but hey, if you like the looks it's certainly a nice watch. To me it's a watch that due to its history and the circumstances under which they were delivered – out of respect for the Panerai family – should ne...
I fully agree with you about the...respect...
for the Panerai's family. Unfortunately, the "man-in-charge" did everything to distance the brand from...Florence...during his tenure. IMO
Wasn't delivery of Ref. 3646 Types E, F, and G (including California dial watches) the same as Type D
In that they went to the KS instead of straight to Italian forces? And for that matter 3646 Types A, B, and C went to the Itailian Fascists forces? So in general all Rolex Panerai delivered in the late 1930s - 1940s went to all Axis forces. You can say th...
Neither were any 3646 of any type
Rolex made them for Panerai and Panerai only supplied the dials BUT they didn’t even supply all the dials. For the California dial watches you can say that these are 0% Panerai as the dials were made by Stern for Rolex. At least the 3,6,9,12 dials in the ...
Italy surrendered to the Allies in Sept. 1943...
and in consequence, the Nazi regime sent several Divisions to occupy their former ally and secure their "soft underbelly". This is a very important piece of the puzzle to understand what really happened during those days in Florence. For Panerai this was ...
Yes, I've read that. The point is that why is it only Type D (KS) 3646 w/ anon dials made by Panerai that should be included in this period when in fact
it should be all 3646 Types D, E. F. and G including those fitted with the celebrated California dials by Stern and the "ugly" Brass dials presumably made by Junghans that were all delivered to the KS in the same way. The Type E 3646 with California dials...
All 3646 (Type D, E, F & G) made in 1944 went to the Nazis
Yes, all of them could be considered disrespectful towards the Panerai family. The thing is, when the 249 came out in 2006, nobody called them out. I wrote about it here: Cheers Jose Pereztroika
Thanks for the input. IMO, all Panerai from the War years are going to be controversial
For example, 3646 Types A through C were worn by Mussolini's Fascists forces who wore them as part of their kit they used to sink Allied shipping, while the aforementioned 3646 Types D through G were confiscated by the Nazis and worn by their forces. I pe...
Yes, but all the brands you listed were paid for to produce those watches for the Nazis. Panerai wasn't...
Put yourself in Giuseppe Panerai's shoes for a moment. Your country is occupied by war criminals. One dead German soldier is worth ten Italian lifes. The occupying forces are commiting massacres all over your country. They force you to deliver something a...
Never considered the 721 out of the eyes and view from Maria. Seeing it like that its for sure not very empathetic. Concerns are not really know by empathetic senses are they?.
If i am honest, I don't think too much about WW2 when wearing my 721 or think about war wearing my other PAM. If i would, i would loose the fun about my passion and i should quite the brand. So sad, most of the other brands and not really better. I hate w...
That was an unfortunate time in history putting it lightly but
it's still part of Panerai history. The good along with the bad. It's bad what happened to the Panerai family at this time, but I still appreciate the beauty of the watches they made in this era and that's the context in which I place them.
