FabR
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Very interesting and equally sad -- thanks for sharing an excellent article.
Great article. Saw it few days ago and lost myself reading till the end....
Says a lot about modern panerai Company. I love PANERAI nevertheless.
Very good investigative journalism
He writes very well, supported by evidence and quotes. This is the way to go to hammer a Goliath.
I still love Panerai.
But there has to be a big change towards higher movement quality, transparency and in general towards honesty with customers until I buy a watch from this brand again. Best Thomas
Agreed
Yet it seems Paneraihas no desire for such things. Let us hope we're wrong and Panerai apologizes and in the future is fully transparent. Love the style, yet it seems Richemont is allowing their Panerai brand to...... you know.
I've thought about that, too.
Why do these facts come out just now.? The author must have known this for a longer time. But nevertheless the facts speak a clear language. It's really sad!! Best Thomas
+1
Seems solid reporting to me, not diminished one iota by the author's obvious stake in this as a collector and an aficionado. Cheers Marc
I have to politely disagree with this take.
When the facts, cleanly stated, are damning, then it is wrong to blame the messenger. Panerai is the only one who should be sorry here.
Certainly Panerai is not the only brand guilty of this sin, and the author knows it, yet he seems to revel in their sole crucification...
... that's what makes it seem like a personal vendetta.
definitely a vendetta, he was trolling all kinds of panerai posts for awhile
saw these posts over and over. seems awfully personal. i get not liking a company but a year or two ago they were threadcrapping any and every panerai thread.
Same here....
What I wanted and "got" from a Panerai, has been there, it's there and will be there for quite sometime to come. Where have the Swiss taken Panerai and why? Frankly, my dear
Great post..
Maybe that explains why another Richemont brand JLC sold me a Duoface that had to be returned three separate times for new replacement watches and then finally, forced me to retain an attorney to obtain a cash refund. Shameful!
The easy solution is Richemont is going to buy Swatch Group
As then ETA will technically be an 'in-house' movement. Perhaps Richemont has mistakenly provided non-public tradable information. Sell Richemont, buy Swatch stock?
Good expose
It's pretty amazing to go to Panerai's website and see that the movement from my 973 that they used to call "OPXXXIV" and list on their website as non-in-house is now called "P.900" and listed on their website as in-house. This is straightforwardly decept...
Once you open....
Pandora's box, what's inside is bits and parts of the SAME fiasco. The entity of the "sin" remains the same. You can break a window only once, then you can analyze all the...factors...that contributed to the breakage. I have written so many times, in a co...
Just read this. Don’t l ow what to think. Think the hey day for Pam was around 2008 for my interest
I have two watches with a 2892a2 movement. Paid $3k and $2k. $27k ? Good case aside wtf???
Guess there was no official release that claimed it is a in-house movement. Not from PAM website or any new release. But did those that collected watch long enough would know that most company in the late 90s to late
till even now that many watch companies slightly modified mass produced ebauche, I.e. change or engrave logo on the rotor and etc. and claims in in-house movement. It the buyer choice to decide. No point harbouring about it when it an industry practise.
This superbly detailed report twists my guts!
It all started with a secret, from a laboratory of ideas to a financial organization distributing “luxury” ephemeral products too often against the interests and movements of the present time. Regardless the motivations I find this extremely disappointing...
Too much money, too many customers, too much of eveything
Nobody but us gives a damn about what's inside. There might be a spinning wheel moved by micro hamsters and people would still be amazed. Economy of scale, they say.
If I mentioned the amount of....
different types of whatces I have bought, JUST because the strap matched the colour of my socks at the time of purchase, I'd probably have to expell myself from this very forum