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i strongly disagree that a redial ALWAYS goes with a poor condition movement
i have a cal 561 connie with redial, but the case and movement are in excellent condition.
i'm sorry Hoi, i dont want you to take what i'm about to say personally, it is more a comment on your opinion of your expertise.
i read all the posts on the Omega page, but dont often post on the ones which involve technical detailing as that is not my strong point, but i notice that when you make a comment on a redial, hand lengths etc you put it in a way that states 'i am right and everyone else is wrong'. there is no way anyone can say that when it comes to vintage Omega's as the majority of us know.
i have known Bill via email for more years than i care to remember and respect him for his heaps of knowledge on vintage Omega's, but even Bill will never say never as Chuck Maddox (R.I.P) would never say never.
so i just ask that you listen to what others have to say, take it on board and question your own opinions before putting them out there in the big world of the internet.
as for this watch, you think its 100% and have compared it to one you own, several others think its a redial which could mean you have a redial yourself. that would throw the cat amongst the pidgeons with your rules. there is always the thought that Pat is perfectly happy with what he's bought and doesnt care if the dial is original or not, an answer that is hard to decide without seeing it in person IMO.
thats all i have to say and hope you will take it in the way in which it is meant.
best
Graham
2520 I believe
The watch has not arrived yet (it will probably get here in about a week). I do not seem to be able to get any information out of the new (improved???) Omega vintage database. I liked the old version a lot better.
It is a 2520 / cross ref to 2577 34 mm in diameter..
Hi The watch looks nice, I hope it is just the angle of the photo ... the vertical cross hair is slightly off-centered to the left. That would annoy me personally more then age to a dial . It is an uncommon signed above the six o'clock position Seamaster ...
Congrats, Pat.
Hey. It`s you huh. Very nice anh original Seamaster. I followed the auction all the way but did not attempt to buy (I know tt will cost me an arm or a leg.) Hi Bill. That dial is original. Look at this dial in the same era, caliber 352. the Cross hair is ...
Hoip.... Not 100% eitherway.. but that is all I will see...
Hi Hoi My eye will catch that everytime I look t the watch and it would ruin it for me... totally a personal thing... Bill
At the price this watch went for
There should be zero doubt. Even 1% chance of a redial would be unacceptable. IMHO of course.
mike take a close look at the "Seamaster" script.
Hi mike the S and the letter space between the S and a seems odd. The S character shape is interesting as well. What do you think ? Bill
I think it is a redial
The "S" to me is not as much a problem as the crosshairs. While the S looks abruptly cut off at the top it (together with the rest of the script) looks identical to the watch with the same dial style Desmond posted here before. I'm just saying a premium p...
Poor Pat.
Hah ha, Now, Pat must be worrying like hell. Hi Mike and Bill. By looking at the pristine movement, I still believe it's original (redial always goes with a bad shape movement) Let's wait a few more days to see. I am sure Desmond will join us when he wake...
Assuming?
I did not see the sale on this watch, but do you know that Pat does not know that it is a redial? Perhaps he is comfortable with the watch regardless. I have to admitt that I did not give the watch much of a look earlier, just the casual , "nice watch dud...
Cartouche dial
The OP of this thread will give the answer. I guess. home.watchprosite.com = Steve. I am not looking for crosshairs to make "rules" or "hypotheses" from them. There are too many exceptions. Will stay with hands and markers only. Do you have any? Best. Thi...
I can see in Desmond's example the cross hair appears centered ...
hi Hoi Desmond's photo is not the most detailed but i can see the crosshair appears centered in comparison to pat's. Also its harder to make a call on the Seamaster Script but I get the feeling its different. Bill
i strongly disagree that a redial ALWAYS goes with a poor condition movement
i have a cal 561 connie with redial, but the case and movement are in excellent condition. i'm sorry Hoi, i dont want you to take what i'm about to say personally, it is more a comment on your opinion of your expertise. i read all the posts on the Omega p...
I should take "always" back then.
Hi Graham. I think I am wrong when I use "always", I should have used "often" then. To me, I still think that dial is original. why don't we wait and see when Pat has it on his hands and give us details ? Best.
re
Hi Graham et al, In mitigation of Hoi's posts, we need to give him a bit of a break. He is multi-lingual and English is not his first language. His writing is admirable and quite precise for someone who is not writing in his mother tongue. I have noticed ...
extremely valid point made Desmond...
extremely valid point made Desmond and i express my apologies to Hoi if i wrote anything which offended him. i always try to be fair. if i have deviated from that fairness i will be sure to rectify it in the future. best Graham
hoi, do not generalize, please ! redials can have very good movements....
you can have a crack in the crystal and over years, the dial is bad. that still has nothing to do with the state of the movement. the right experienced watchmaker can always bring back the movement to shiny pink gold.... be careful with these unfounded an...
i think, it´s a very nice redial. something causemann would do.....
the crosshair is not centered; but more important to me, the markers have been removed ( the thin tips point slightly up now...). and there is only one reason for removing the markers.... it is a very nice work, BTW. kind regards. achim
Ever observant Achim about the markers
That's why I think many of us watched this auction but decided not to bid - the doubt (to varying degrees) about the dial's originality.
cross hair is not off on your watch, its the 9 oclock marker, its slightly aswek !
hi hoi the cross hairs are fine looks where they cross the min tick marks. it looks like the 9 oclock marker is off. best bill
Genuine to me
I asked the seller for a high res pic of dial before forrwarding on to Pat. I have it stored and you can click here and then click to enlarge to make a more detailed assessment. In comparing it with a high res pic of my dial I came to the conclusion that ...
double printing
Hi Desmond. Talking about embossed letters made by double printing , I still can tell which one is genuine, which is double printed. Will email you the trick Best. Hoi
Sorry I'm late to the party, folks!
With respect to the OP's "new" watch, in comparing the photos with Desmond's example, I noticed the following - 1. The hi-res picture shows that the angle of the photo is slightly to the right. This could cause the cross hairs to look worse than they are....
It is very hard to...
Hi Bill, it is very hard to make a final judgment - I have checked the picture with "my strongest specatcles" and I see what you mean... I am still not convinced that it is a redial. Apart from this very small deviation of the cross hair you mentioned the...
I am questiong it also....
Hi Erich I am questing it also. I am stating that the cross hairs would bother me every time I look at the watch. Plus Pat got this off of the bay at a stiff price. For me paying that type of $$ and having a dial imperfection I think I would have passed o...
I agree...
Hi Bill, I fully agree with you - this imperfection versus price paid is the issue... kind regards erich
very nice seamaster from the 50's with a great movement
congrats on your acquisition, great watch in great condition best regards georges
thats a lovely looker Pat and that all that matters to me
wear it, enjoy it and worry not best Graham
Omega chronometre
Hi patindubai ! The watch look very nice,dial can not redone.Can you show me movement? Regards
333
Hi Pat. Like you, I am waiting for my 333 coming in a big case. Will post mine when I have it in my hands. Best regards. Hoi....
What about. Dial pic ?
Hi hoi Nice 333 and at 36 mm for a seamster bumper wears very large. Best Bill
Ref 2519
Hi Bill. It's not in my hands yet, but I think I can post some pics from the seller. I should have had it by now but because of the strike from Canada postal workers. ..hmmm... still waiting... Best. Hoi....
I was was watching that one on the bay... I really like the ...
HI H I realy like the way the dial aged. They are a lot of fun..... I am also waiting for a watch from the UK... I am on pins and needles . Bill...
Bill, theres something wrong...
Bill, theres something wrong with your watch from UK. i sent one to Ginger a couple of weeks ago and it was there in just under a week. sounds like you need to start investigating. personally i think your the Hex on the system bearing in mind the Green Ho...
G, how was it sent to Ginger ?
Hi G What service did you use ? the seller sent it via International Signed For. on 17th of June... no tracking on the USPS site Royal Mail site says it was handed off to the US postal system on June 17th. USPS site says the following ... " Service(s): Re...
same service Bill and no...
same service Bill and no problems. i dont know if it was trackable in US as i didnt look, but i've done it before and its been fine. the problem is the small print. Royal mail will only cover items lost in their care and it clearly states 'handed to US po...
Man I can't win......
Hi G I am at a loss on what to do next. Thanks for the info. Bill
Hang in there - holiday service is brutal
Bill - I have had this same experience with UK from time to time. Graham can report that I was surprised to get his package so quickly - I always allow 2 weeks at a minimum. I find out from the other country's site when it is reported as sent to US and th...
Packages can often fall into the black hole of US Customs...
..especially when they are busy. I've had UK packages take less than a week, and others take 2 or 3 weeks. Had a Canada post package sit for almost 4 weeks in Seattle US Customs.
understood.....but
Hi I am uneasy as the tracking from the USPS states... Service(s): Registered Mail ™ Status: Origin Post is Preparing Shipment --- Royal mail tracking says Status: Overseas Your item, posted on 17/06/11 has been passed to the overseas postal service for d...
USPS performs...
Hi Bill, USPS performs very lousy service concerning updates of the status - as far as I have experienced. Several times it was not even updated after the package had already been delivered for one week or so!!! So lean back - it will turn out for good! k...
Very nice...
Congratulations on what appears to be a very nice example, Hoi. I own one (Bill infected me!), and like it very much. I do find it interesting to note that the dials on the 333s seem to invariably be heavily patinated. Admittedly I haven't seen many, as t...
Thanks Tony
Hi Tony. Yes, it's big, waterproof and looks like a Seamaster but it's not. I don't know what model it is but I am very sure I will love it. I just tracked and it's about 700 miles from me, hopefully, I will have it tomorrow then I can post more pics. If ...
Really nice Hoi!
I was going to bid...but I guess you got to it first! I have this 352 chronometre but it needs work!...
Old lume's still there ?
Hi Kyle. Congrats. Looks like the old lume is still on the hands and markers . Looking for more pics from you when it's done. Best.