Patek Philippe

I have a passion for vintage Calatrava. I didn’t start out aiming to build up a collection of such pieces, but it did evolve into a collection. Over the course of this year, I have reviewed several in my collection. My collection, overall, is about half v...  

if i got a sponsor, 5196P ;-) go for it, the x-mas is close by... Best, mahesh.,

looks unproportioned on the wrist: it is simply to slim to be in 37 mm. A comparable 5199 is way better proportioned. Maybe 36 mm or even 35 mm would have been more fitting but these sizes are difficult to sell, at this moment in time. It is a big shame f... 

....in teh eye of the beholder?

37mm seems to be too large for this ref while e.g the 5127, another 37mm Calatrava, is just right.

That is a very nice calatrava. Also 6000 in RG!

If I were a Patek collector with a deep wallet, I won’t go for the four different versions (too easy) but for the P and the R. Not opposite but definitely complementary for me. Thank you for this interesting comparison and you personal feeling. Best wishe... 

BUT this is such a charm and beauty! Go, my friend, go. I had one... Which was stolen alas...I loved it! Best, Nicolas.

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They can be found. History Steel Size Manual wind Ticks all the boxes But the 6196P also brings some attraction J

and no issue for me with the movement size, I think overall I see no negative impact on the dial layout. Now interestingly, the P leaves me cold, just don't like the look of the dial, but the R is the most alluring, followed by the G. CC

I think it has some proportion issues, which become more evident not so big wrists like mine. I do not think I will find it as enjoyable as its vintage predecessors. But don't get me wrong, all in all I think it is a great reference, specially the platinu... 

Although the movement is too small for the case size, I am somewhat relieved that the watch comes with a solid case back unlike the 5119. So at least e can't seen the movement drowned in the case back like the 38mm 5123R for example. Nice watch in all var... 

I like almost everything about it. I love the 'sector' dial, distinguishing this from the other version. I absolutely love Breguet numerals. I also like the size. But like I said, almost. The main issue is with the seconds subdial. IMO, it is too close to... 

The P does have its appeal, as you say a bit more casual, maybe the only wristwatch for a classical Gentleman (yes, I do mean to capitalise the letter). I also regret the too-small movement, the top-high sub-seconds, the closed back. I have been wondering... 

here is the pt version (click) and here is the boutique rose gold guilloche (click) ...  

Best wishes Alkiro

What do you think? The 7787 classique https://i. And the 5410 heritage

Best wishes Alkiro

Please!

Third position: Breguet 5410 Why? I’m not a big fan of the Heritage models. Maybe I’m too conservative but when I buy a Breguet, I buy a piece of history what I can’t find here with this tonneau case. Breguet wants to try to please everyone with this one ... 

Well reasoned and helpful, thanks! 😃

Best wishes Alkiro

... especially since I am also considering a simple yet classy Patek to be added to my collection. I am personally looking at red gold, but find the dial of the 5196 maybe a bit TOO classical for my taste. If it were available in red gold, I'll definitely... 

Not sure if that is a feature or a bug, as they say, but it's definitely fun! I hope you will share a few pictures when you decide on the right one for you. For Calatravas, I can forgive a lot if there is a hunter caseback involved!

5196P is a gorgeous piece. A few years ago I had one in my collection but let it go to another Purist who I hope still enjoys it... Why sell? Well I found it too dressy for my lifestyle and had other projects to finance. These days I have come to apprecia...  

....i was reading through your reply and started to laugh to myself. You know, you are absolutelyright. We can intellectualise so much about watch buying, but ultimately it just boils down to a very simple thing for most people....when i look at it on my ... 

Must admit, I am having a hard time choosing a winner here... They all look beautiful! Best Blomman

.....for years I felt the same. Then, about 2 years ago, I actually saw one in the flesh and it changed my thinking. Then, a few months ago i saw it again and it looked stunning...was on a grey strap. Its a watch that needs to be seen for sure.

I´m a big fan of Breguet numerals but actaully I don´t like the dial of the P so much. I prefer the classic look of the G dial as it is reinterpreting the classic Calatrava style. This is why my last PP purchase was a 5196G last May. With a matte croc str...  

For me it is between the P with a matt dark grey strap against the G decked like yours. I think I am erring to the P, but find both fabulous.

Some like some do not. The movement size is really irrelevant to the final watch. The series has the PP look and heritage which other watches do not. I suspect the 5196 will be retired soon and a watch with a larger movement with more features will be pre... 

Get the right one plus an interesting strap plus folding clasp and you are there. I love 5196P a lot! Best, Kari ...  

...... I think you may be right....again.

.....but i guess so are we all.

As whole, 5196P is a fantastic Calatrava representing the heritage very well. Get it and soon our Pated collections are identical. LOL. Best, Kari

...though there are a number of similarities!