COUNT DE MONET
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I beg to differ ...
The two measures are not really linked:
a) you can always stop the rattrapante and push the chrono via flyback back for a new start
and
b) the ratrappante hand catches forward and backwards the time: by pushing twice the pusher at ten (catch up forward or backwards with the first push and the second push is to stop it again --- hence a permament display --- hence a "second chrono" --- hence seperate ... 
!)
What you have to consider, and this is the only unknown as I did not test it: you take the best / worst time by pushing the ten pusher twice with the chrono still running ... you simply watch and notice the new time and "act" by pushing ten twice to save it ... and as the split has stoped you can press flyback again for a new start ... and so on ... and so on.
I still need to read your post in detail ...
Best
Moritz
This message has been edited by COUNT DE MONET on 2012-05-28 12:12:22
Baselworld 2012: the new Patek Philippe split-seconds perpetual calendar chronograph 5204P!
The launch of a brand new split seconds chronograph wristwatch by Patek Philippe is a rare opportunity to discover not just a gorgeous watch but also the functioning of a mythical device among watch technique geeks! When Patek Philippe presented the new r...
Congratulations Jerome
A wonderfull post with very clear explanation regarding the mecanism of this upgraded calibre. Patek at his BEST, always evolving. Everyone would have the pleasure to see and put this 5204P on his wrist (for a moment or better for the life). Playing with ...
This one is not a double split
Frankly I did not read all of Jerome's very interesting post, just read across and will do later more, but this is "only" a split second chrono. Lange's double split chrono is something very different: it is TWO 30 minute chronos where, and here come a bi...
the Jerome title is very explicite Moritz
My special comment was purely horological. How works the DS in the german watch compare to the new swiss watch? These 2 KINGS are absolutely marvelous and plays in 2 different categories. Your love for the german brand is well known here. Thanks for your ...
Thanks Count!
Hi, Thank you for your answer and comments. But one precision if I understood well the double Split: it is not literally two thirty minutes chronographs in the same watch, as it could be understood in your answer, it is a split seconds chronograph that sp...
DS has emphasis on double chrono ... not split!
Otherwise the nomenclature does not make sense: it is not a double rattrapante, or is it? No it is a double chrono that can be used saperately, too ! I will read the article about the DS again, but as far as I understood, and the author was speaking clear...
I beg to differ ...
The two measures are not really linked: a) you can always stop the rattrapante and push the chrono via flyback back for a new start and b) the ratrappante hand catches forward and backwards the time: by pushing twice the pusher at ten (catch up forward or...
Hi, Moritz,....
...I believe you're mistaken. The Lange Double Split is, although exceptional in the regard that it is a double rattrapante, still a normal split chronograph. I.e. by pushing the split second button, the running chronograph time is "freezed", can be read ...
Hi Suitbert
Hi Suitbert, Welcome home! Thank you for your comments about the Double Split. It could hardly be explained more clearly IMO. Furthermore I hardly dare to criticize other brands than Patek Philippe, I'm already so much supposed to be sold to them! So agai...
Hi Suitbert! Maybe I will contact Lange for the first time ...
... in this matter and make an inquiry. The article was also claiming that the hands would catch up backwards. I did not have the time yet to investigate and think about all the mechanics in the depth that I would like to do as I am off into my holidays s...
Special thanks to our Experts Suitbert, Moritz and Jerome
for their clearer explanations. Many here hopefully appreciate these type of informative posts. We always learn a lot ;-))) on the best horological web-site Best regards, Patrickh
I agreee with your comments on PP seal...
When I first saw the new PP seal, I immediately thought of UPS ! Cheers, Jim...
Thank you very much for your support Patrick
Hi Patrick, Thank you very much for your support. I'm glad you appreciated it, and especially it ended up clear enough so that something was understandable. This watch is really extraordinary IMO. How does it compare to the Lange Double Split? I dont thin...
5204P would be my choice too
I hope having the pleasure to see it in real, maybe in Patek Philippe Geneva Salon. On other places, I suppose ONLY future owners could have this lucky chance. Jrme, thanks again for sharing this wonderfull detailed and comprehensive report on this incr...
I will certainly be a rare bird to catch! nt
nt This message has been edited by Dje on 2012-05-28 06:06:59
The answer is: on page 145 ...
... in Lange's 165th anniversary edition catalogue. There you can read that the isolator mechanism that Lange uses looks like Patek's. Certainly with a single lever (called Swan neck lever by Patek) and not with two isolator levers like in the DS (for the...
dje , i know you enquired recently whether
there would be sufficient interest in doing an article on this watch recently and I'm glad you did. Even if the majority of us cannot contemplate ever owning a watch of this value we are allowed to dream still. A fantastic article you've done here and wor...
Thank you Darma!
Hi Darma, Thank your for your comments. I'm glad this post is now done, it's getting too hot out there to make my brain smoke so much. I'd better be on the beach. Nothing precise for the 5711 yet. I'm still working on it but it's far from done. Best Dje
Jerome, thanks for that very detialed and informative report
Hi The watch looks amazing and the split second mechanism is a work of art ( as well as science, engineering and horology) many thanks for taking the time to report on a watch that sets new boundaries ( unfortuneatly only 1% of collectors will eventually ...
Jerome, thank you for your in-depth report......
I found your article fascinating and probably the best one that I have read, which explains in detail and with easy to view drawings on how the grand complication called a split second works The photos depicting the various working parts in a different co...
Thank you Julian
Hi Julian, Unfortunately I'm not as positive as you! Not 1% of collectors will own one, maybe one out of 10 000! But I'd love to be that one! Best Dje
Thanks a lot Jérôme for the in-depth presentation of this watch.
I hope to be able to come back to it within one month. Fx
Thanks for your report
Lots of intersting images and detail on the mechanism, and a fabulous feat of micro engineering and technology. I much prefer the reverse side to the dial side, however. I do not appreciate the indexes, and the upside down MoonPhase is just silly. But the...
5204
Jerome, Thank you for spending a lot of time giving us a very informative report! Great to read about the technical aspects of this piece and understand it a little better. I just wish you would have had a wrist shot to go along with your article ;0) All ...
Thank you Rick
Hi, I would have loved to have more time to spend with it but I could keep it for one or two minutes only! No time to put the strap in the deployant buckle and take a wrist shot! Best Dje
Fantastic post!
Thank you so much for an entertaining and thorough article! Please keep them coming! I always enjoy reading them!
If i ever get this my friend
Of course i will be more than honoured to share it with you! Tschuss! Stephen
fitting post to a fantastic piece..
thank you jerome... wonderful eye candy...wow....
Fantastic post..
... for one the most underated complications. As it doesn't jump to the eye ( Tourbillon ) or the ears ( Minute repeater ), ppl forget just how interesting and complex a split chrono is. You have done a great job here, bravo. Beside the complication its a...
Dje, well done post ...
of an impressive watch. Tried it ... but there was no "love" for the dial side. Will try it again in a few days ... Dje, thanks a lot! Oliver...
