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No Offense Taken...
... The Royal Oak does have a certain arc to its iconic history. As does the Nautilus. For perspective, most (non-pursist) people do not know the amazing history and provenance shared by legendary Swiss manufactures, such as Audemars, Vacheron and Patek. They just know the Royal Oak is something LeBron and Arnold collect, so they'll collect AP too. I don't see that as an issue because every brand that charges an arm and a testicle for their product needs a LeBron or an Arnold acting as an ambassador.
I know your blue dial RO. It is gorgeous!
Available on the marketplace
I Have Never Claimed To Be Clairvoyant But...
... I believe one of the crown jewels is about to stumble. My two euro. - Scott ...
Regarding your prediction, time will tell…
Anyway, I don’t believe that their latest creation is a failure or success. Markets speak. Buyers vote with their dollars. As I have stated before, “Time will tell…” Patek continues to be a halo product that people aspire to own. They have a wide and deep...
Agreed...
... I wasn't making a blanket prediction about ALL the offerings from this storied brand. I do believe the new offering will not do well.
Is it in its current configuration that you believe the collection will not do well?
I ask because…. There is more room for PP to add to and expand the collection. Potentially driving a noticeable contribution to total total sales
I Believe The Cubitus...
... Will slump. I recently read an article that highlighted T. Stern's view of the new design and was surprised at how arrogant he comes off.
Understandable. Something that only time will tell.
IMO, T Stern's remarks may have been a bit lost in translation, or he may have misspoken in some capacity. He sounds confident in this new model sitting alongside all their other great collections. Never the less. I think we can all agree its too early to...
My #5020 ...
was initially very unpopular. Today it is coveted. Patek, and other makers like Rolex with the Daytona which was also initially very unpopular, seem to make silk purses from sows ears.
While I Agree With The Sentiment...
... The truth is, even if you dress a monkey up in silk, it's still a monkey.
That’s… a bit of a stretch
EVERY watchmaker has tripped up from time to time or issued a dud release, but what you’re insinuating seems far from the truth. Let’s check back in a decade and see where things are at.
Yes, a few people have …
I feel it’s the best way to give an objective opinion about a watch.
I tried on a Cubitus
And it's a pretty-good watch. Especially on a big arm (on a chunky guy, the cubitus is not unisex), the cubitus could well look better / more suitable than a Nautilus. ...
Thank You For Posting This...
... Perfect context. It does look good, I admit. But the two-tone? No.
In person the piece looks and feels
Quite wonderful. And I happen to like two-tone whether on a Daytona, Breguet tourbillon, or a Nautilus chrono. Give it an extended try, you might like two-tone too! Chk
I did in Tokyo 3 days ago
Not interested at all, heavy (platinum), but I took picture of this one 😃 pic from the web ...
I Have Always Been Consistent...
... On how I feel about nepotism. If T. Stern(us) actually demonstrated true watchmaker skills, then my opinion would shift.
I Did Not Realize I Would Spark...
... Such a passionate conversation. Hope to see you soon, mon ami. - Scott
I Know You Are Correct...
... And waiting 20-plus years for an even more square nautilus certainly shows off the creativity.
Years from now we may all look back at this and laugh. Time passes, life moves on. I'll be the one wearing an H. Moser or MB&F, or perhaps something from a very talented watchmaker.
The recent bubble has been glorious at giving earned exposure to many great watchmakers.
100% agree. Nothing against Rolex, AP, VC, Cartier, Omega, etc, and very much appreciate their contribution in horology, yet true small production independent watchmakers (and Simon Brette, etc) are creating some fantastic timepieces imho.
Imho there are far more choices today than was available back in the 1960s... or 2000s as best i can recall. Seems to me the today's hard-core enthusiasts have an abundance of choices (dependent on your patience). Torsti Laine offers many customization ch...
You Are Completely En Pointe Mentioning Brands Like...
... Armin Strom, Ferrier, and the like. There are so many doing very solid work. Of course, we all love Voutilainen - what's not to love. Same with all the big time living masters, like Roger Smith or Philippe Dufour. I remember seeing Ferdinand Berthoud ...
Thanks Scott for sharing your belief. Please also
share your reasons behind the thoughts. If you get a chance to see it in the metal, it will be interesting to see if you prefer more or less afterwards.
It Was Just My Initial Reaction...
... To a new line of watches that took close to 25 years to release. And it's not so different from what came before. In fact, I think it's nothing short of an ego project.
Whatever the industry,
corporate arrogance is something I can’t stand. The Cubitus will sell well. So too will the next unimaginative, poorly executed model. But how long before PP becomes the exclusive purview of wannabes and speculators, with all people of taste deserting the...
Boris, You Are Speaking...
... Truth to Power. You are spot on! Your statement is 100% correct. Except I do not believe the Cubitush will sell well at all. In fact, I think it comes back to bite the young one very hard. Not that he cares.
I don't particularly like it.. but maybe others will.
Many people didn't like code 11 when it launched but some models like the aventurine perpetual calendar are real stand outs in the line and I think perception of the line has improved drastically since first launch. Others like GF make stunning watches, t...
Greubel Forsey Is Another Level For Sure...
... But I don't think I have seen any GF's on the secondary market going for anything less than full retail. Am I wrong?
Balancier Is One Thing...
... But how about any of the multi-tourbillons or GMT's? I am not seeing it.
Dare I jump into the fray?
This is simply one man’s opinion and hope I don’t offend anyone’s sensibility with my comments. While this watch is not my cup of tea, I can’t help but think of my own watch journey and the opinions I held. Sometime during the the late 70’s , I i became a...
No Offense Taken...
... The Royal Oak does have a certain arc to its iconic history. As does the Nautilus. For perspective, most (non-pursist) people do not know the amazing history and provenance shared by legendary Swiss manufactures, such as Audemars, Vacheron and Patek. ...
And I Agree With You...
... But we could all agree that the Royal Oak and the Nautilus are both very special and iconic designs that pretty much define the brands who make them.
Rolex Was A Different Brand...
.... in the 70's. The mad cult status it enjoys now has been carefully created and fostered over the last 35 years. And like a previous point I made about AP's spotlight being brighter because of the likes of LeBron or Arnold, so too does Rolex share its ...
The brand is likely to thrive…
A couple of hiccups here and there will not kill it. As to whether the cubitus is a success, it is definitely a mixed bag based on reviews but I guess it will sell. I know 3 chaps who will be getting their hands on one. To them, very simply it is a Patek ...
Starting At Forty-One Thousand...
... Going up to ninety-thousand. I'm not seeing it. But hey, that's just me.
It Would Seem I Am Not...
... Alone in my assessment of the Cubitus. Check out Allen Farmelo's Robb Report article... robbreport.com
This watch is similar to nautilus in many aspects. It shares the same dial details, same bracelet, same movement etc.
So the watch is likely to do fine.