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Possibility is lower.

 

You are right. I really can't tell if it's a stolen watch even if it comes with the paper. But the possiblity would be lower because normally thieves only search for watches and valuables. They don't bother about papers and box (I doubt whether they would take the papers even if the papers are put beside the watches in the vault). One thing we could do is to apply for an Archives paper to make sure it's not recorded stolen.

As for the second question, I think they would honour the warranty provided it's within the period. I have no such experience but I do think PP watches should be like other commodities (e.g. TV and cellphones). It's their job to provide services for the watches they sell and these watches can be traded in the grey market and they can also be gifts. Do you agree?

 

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Buying a Calatrava without paperwork?

 
By: watchnewbie : August 4th, 2008-12:23
I am re-posting this question b/c I think I put it in the wrong forum originally. I would like to purchase a pre-owned (discontinued model) Calatrava. The dealer is an authorized Patek agent, very reputable and well-known watch dealer based in NYC. The pr... 

Well, it depends ...

 
By: Hamster07 : August 4th, 2008-21:33
on a number of factors: 1. The paper guarantees its authenticity and that the watch has a good title (i.e. it's not a stolen watch). 2. The paper and box would makes the whole set complete (this is important but not essential, to me). The substantial disc... 

How do you know that it's not stolen?

 
By: pployalfan : August 5th, 2008-23:38
If someone sells you a PP completed with papers & box, how could you tell that it's not stolen? Will PP honour the warranty if it's already registered under other people's name?

Yes, if the price is OK

 
By: mac_omega : August 5th, 2008-04:59
I have bought all of my vintage PPs without papers - no problem. As already adviced in this thread: Ask Patek Geneva for an extract of the archive - so you will be on the safe side! 1) You know that the watch is authentic 2) you know that the watch is not... 

Thank you all so much... and question about archive papers

 
By: watchnewbie : August 5th, 2008-05:45
Thank you again for all your help and information. And more questions: Can I request archive papers directly from PP or does the AD do this for me? And by archive papers, do you mean certificate of origin?

Archives papers ...

 
By: Hamster07 : August 5th, 2008-09:15
The Archives paper is nothing equivalent to the Certificate of Origin. It's just like a copy of the record of the watch, stating the movement no., case no., calibre used and some details like the dial type and color,etc. It also has the date of sale and m... 

Two options--opinions please

 
By: watchnewbie : August 5th, 2008-10:51
Once again, thank you all for your input; you have been very kind. And of course I have more to ask. I have two options: (1) Authorized Dealer will sell me the watch with a 2 year extended warranty. This is a well-known, established company with a store n... 

Nice gift

 
By: Nat : August 5th, 2008-11:37
If the dealer is the national chain I'm thinking of, they often do not have papers for their preowned items. They claim that they don't want Patek to penalize the people that have sold them the watch by not allowing them to pruchase hard to find items. So... 

Local deal better ...

 
By: Hamster07 : August 5th, 2008-22:05
I'd advise you to buy from your local dealer because: 1. Most importantly, you can examine the watch by yourself, esp. a preowned watch. I've bought a "brand new" Patek from a US dealer in Florida ( I don't reside in the States), but the watch turned out ...