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certainly both dials are not perfect

 

but you are probably wrong to judge the first a redial: In my opinion the first was cleansed unprofessionally - as everybody know the combination of cleanser and ultrasonics can remove the script easily - but there are no marks of a 'SWISS' print on the dial, right, what ever the conclusion might be.
But the missing 'SWISS' isn't as significant to judge authenticity as the wrong direction of the markers (the direction pointing out is very well known from compass dials), there are V&C examples from this time without a SWISS print.
Above the index at 9 there is a scratch in the dial, so you can see the dial ground material through - this indicates obliviously a sloppy service. When I bought this watch some time ago I didn't recognise the scratch.

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a tricky question

 
By: anon438 : December 26th, 2016-09:32
Dear members, another tricky question. Which dial variant of this two ref 6181 is authentic? Both?...  

I would say impossible ....

 
By: dedestexhes : December 26th, 2016-10:15
To say with these pictures. Without being an expert I think the second makes more chance in being original. Br, Dirk

But if you compare some sample dials...

 
By: anon438 : December 26th, 2016-21:57
you will not find many (any) dials with dart indexes pointing out – they all pointing to the centre. What leads to the question, why they make such obvious failures when they rework dials?

To clarify authentic as meaning not refinished or....

 
By: Bill : December 26th, 2016-10:27
is the question deeper as saying did these dials exisit. I really do not know these vintage watches so i can't say but i have seen invented, refinished dials with other brands of models that are not part of the brand repertoire. On the other hand a restor... 

For me the more interesting question ...

 
By: anon438 : December 26th, 2016-22:21
.. is the authenticity and originality of the dial design because the refinishing of the dial could be a necessary step within the service procedure. Do not misunderstand me, I definitely don't ask for refinished dials. But if you have a severe humidity/c... 

Agree tasteful restoration is always possible to maintain a certain level of enjoyment.

 
By: Bill : December 27th, 2016-06:18
the trend seems today to leave objects as found. But sometimes the damage is to large that a refinish is needed. Tastefully done can prolong the enjoyment.

Both have problems

 
By: Tick Talk : December 27th, 2016-09:35
Dart markers were quite popular with V&C in mid-50s when these were manufactured. Your first example appears to be a sloppy redial; that index at 9 would really bug me, not to mention a missing SWISS :-( The second example is a bit of a mystery so tha... 

certainly both dials are not perfect

 
By: anon438 : December 28th, 2016-00:20
but you are probably wrong to judge the first a redial: In my opinion the first was cleansed unprofessionally - as everybody know the combination of cleanser and ultrasonics can remove the script easily - but there are no marks of a 'SWISS' print on the d... 

Ill send you where to ask, but best would be on VC's own forum, sent you the name in pm

 
By: Rogi : December 27th, 2016-09:52
as im not sure if it breaks any rules. On the forum for VC they'll be able to match the references and check the pieces out.

by the way...

 
By: anon438 : December 28th, 2016-01:04
I would like to recommend the V&C Reference 6181, it is also a perfect dress watch as I like them best: At this example the colouration is very pleasant, the almost cream silver dial and the pink gold making up a quite decent mix. The from and style i...