Patek Philippe

Hi,

Here is what you write:  "the 5970P will not be made in large amounts, and is a better investment than the 5131J or 5131G"

If that's not writing about investment, i.e.value, I don't know what it is!

I'm unfortunately not paid by an AD, neither by Patek Philippe or any other brand.  

I even pay my watches when I buy some (not enough of them),not to Patek Philippe as I can't afford any that I'm ready to put my money in so far! 

Although I have sometimes difficulties to understand your point (sorry for pointing that, I'm not smart enough) I clearly think that I cannot accept your last words.

I've never banned someone so far, in nearly three years, but I'm close to do it!

Please re-read what you wrote (all your posts on this site) and think about it!

If you sent this emal to Arnon you owe him excuses IMO.

Dje

No message body

Please, take a rest...

Best.

Nicolas This message has been edited by amanico on 2009-04-11 12:09:03

I have no doubt that the new PP5970P will be the PP of 2009. All PP collectors already anticipated this.  The next issue is how long will this be in the market. If we gauge at all Platinum models released by Patek the numbers are generally lower thus the rarity sought by collectors. Also the fact that this will most probably be the last perpetual chrono using the Lemenia movement all the more reason collectors will want to go for it.

Henry 

I actually think this watch did not excite PP lovers all that much... as CL said, some cool variant dial would have been SO amazing... but they made a sort of 'boring' black dial, and did nothing else with the dial to distinguish it from others... so, no, actually, I think it will be extremely sought after, but I don't think it will generate 'excitement'.

Dear Mostel,

When it was released on their homepage I was not euphoric either. I love the other well known predecessors of 5970P, too. So I decided to have a look in Basel. The black dial on 3970 also isn't my first choice (only 5004 black dial with baguette...great watch!).
Then I saw it in Basel and was hypnotized. Believe me, it is gorgeous BECAUSE! of its black dial and the very special colour of PT. The 40 mm case makes it totally different in its appearance and a photo is not able to show. This is my personal grail watch and perhaps the most expensive watch I'll ever buy, but I want this dream come true!

Regards Tempus

PS
Of course there is a difference: The date has become bigger on 5970P. please compare.

And do I understand correctly that the case is bigger as well? If this is true, where have I been???? Hmmm. But I thought regular 5970's were 40mm??? If they are 38, I am really in need of a GTG or something!!

Is the 5970P bigger than the others?  i thought everything was equal, and only the dial color was different...

Well Tempus, it is undeniably a glorious timepiece and would be the star of almost any collection... but... as I've said before... I am not particularly emotionally moved by it, so far anyway.

But I am excited for you! I can't wait to see pics of your 5970P should you get it!

It is confirmed that I get it this year, but not exactly when. We know that :-(
The case isn't bigger, only the date on the dial.
As soon as I got it I will share some photos with you.
Regards
Tempus

What am I missing?
*CL

Take a good look: The numbers are slightly bigger and of course because of that the whole circle is bigger.
This information was given to me by my AD, otherwise I might not have noticed

I thought you mean the cut windows.
Yes the date is definitely bigger in the black dial 5970P (not sure about the blue dial version)
and , imho , it's not a plus point as it looks less elegant. Maybe they want it to be more of a sporty vibe.
*CL

I actually don't like the black dial on the new 5970P as much as other 5970s. I'd much rather have the unique piece with the blue dial or I'd rather have the silver dial with the white gold case.

Now, I say that I don't like the 5970P as much as the other 5970s, but that doesn't mean that I still don't love the 5970P. It's just given a choice, I'd think twice about the black dial. It would also depend on the other watches I had in my collection at the time.

it will be as much sought after as the 5131J/G.  Did someone mention the 5131?   A sales person at one of the Patek Philippe boutiques (name and location held) told me that despite receiveing over a thousand requests (several hundred at boutiques alone), they were only able to deliver about 50 of the 5131J since launch.  The number is unlikely to increase even with the introduction of the 5131G, so may be half and half?  Back to the 5970P; it is a beautiful watch (I would have preferred the 5070P-like blue instead), but I guess it's not as difficult to make as the enamel dial (complications aside) as they have done it for years now in other metals.