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Georges, you dont need to apologize for holding different opinions "from the majority"

 

Hi, Georges,
As you know, all opinions and points of view are welcome here, so long as they are respectfully presented.
But we are very alert to crusades, both pro and con, perpetuation of myths, especially if the reality is known here but not so widely known elsewhere.
In response to a picture of a bunch of Miuras, you wrote "...mechanically unreliable and rustbuckets."
I would argue, and NOT a matter of opinion, that Lamborghini MECHANICALS, in particular the engine and transmissions, are actually quite reliable relative to similar highly tuned powertrains. Admittedly their electricals are frequently wonky and some secondary systems not as reliable as the powertrain...but your words echo general perception that ALL Lamborghini subsystems are unreliable, including powertrain, which is simply untrue. And not a matter of opinion...
"Rustbuckets" - Alfas, BMW's, Maseratis (including the Merak and Ghibli you mention as great Italian cars) et al are all highly susceptible to rust.
So again, I'm not sure of your point in pointing those things out in a thread that started out as an appreciation of the design of the Miura? If your point was, I dislike the Miura's design, contrary to conventional wisdom and taste, I dont think we would need to have this sub-discussion...
Hope you understand what I am trying to say, it seems you need to disparage Lamborghini at every opportunity while proclaiming your love for ...
About most big American cars not handling well vis a vis European vehicles of similar type and class - GT vs GT; big sedan vs big sedan; sports vs sports - having owned or driven more than a few examples of both categories, I am left scratching my head we even need to have this conversation. Lincoln or Caddy sedan vs Mercedes S-Class (or more unusually Maserati Quattroporte or Citroen SM); Mustang, Camaro, Firebird et al vs their european counterparts - are you honestly trying to tell me you feel the American versions handle and roadhold as well as their European counterparts? Personal preferences for handling and ride notwithstanding?
(I'm curious what velociphile or BDLJ have to say about this...)

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The Grand (Porn) Tour!

 
By: Alkiro1 : September 29th, 2017-13:19
I take the red one. I suppose you have already chosen the purple one to match your Sarpaneva? 😉 Best wishes Alkiro

HAHAHA!!! I'm glad I enojoyed it Scott!

 
By: marcelo : September 29th, 2017-16:48
Some days I am truly inspired, but today should not be one, given the news I got that my (I would you an adjective here, but...) salary won't rise.

Damn Portuguese corrector!

 
By: marcelo : October 1st, 2017-07:21
I meant you and... Some days I am truly inspired, but today should not be one, given the news I got that my (I would USE an adjective here, but...) salary won't rise.

Lambo Factory Roadside Assistance

 
By: cazalea : September 29th, 2017-15:33
Somebody called for breakdown assistance? You have a problem with your car, sir? she asked, hitching up her drawers. Yes, I am an expert diagnostician. What seems to be the problem? Oh, you are overheating? Ooh, that seat is low! ...  

It reminds me of Jay Leno's complaint

 
By: nowhere man : September 29th, 2017-15:07
that "I didn't get any sympathy when I backed my red Miura into my yellow Miura."

I didn't get any sympathy when I backed my Lotus Elan into my Honda Insight

 
By: cazalea : September 29th, 2017-16:01
thus we can surmize that the world in general (and a local neighborhood or spouse, specifically) is curiously unsympathetic! Cazalea

Yellow one please, plus.....

 
By: nomadgiles : September 30th, 2017-02:22
.....at least two others for spare parts ;-) Fantastic cars - thanks for the post. Best, Giles.

Lambos, especially early Lambos, definitely had their flaws...

 
By: ThomasM : September 30th, 2017-06:59
And those of us who appreciate and love them do so despite those flaws. Same with Ferraris, Alfas, MOPAR Ford and Chevy and even (gasp) MB BMW and dont get me started on period Audis... American muscle cars from the 60's and 70's couldn't take curves wort... 

Don't get me wrong I do like some italian cars such as the 365 gtb4, the 512BB, the maserati ghibli, the maserati merak and of course the bizzarini 5300 which were some of the finest italian cars of the era

 
By: georgeszaslavsky : September 30th, 2017-10:51
ever made. BMW,I know a friend of my uncle who had a 3.0 CSL for a period of 10 years, he always complained of poor handling of the car in wet and conditions but also the engine needing an extra fine tuning every 6 months due to carburettors but also one ... 

ok part II of my reply while I couldn't edit properly and correctly in due time

 
By: georgeszaslavsky : September 30th, 2017-11:48
Road test by Car & track of the 1968 Hurst Olds with 455 Road test by Car & track of the 1971 Oldmosbile Delta 88 with 455 I do like italian cars for some of them and for german cars, I like more the ones from the 80's-early 00s. We will as usual ... 

Georges, you dont need to apologize for holding different opinions "from the majority"

 
By: ThomasM : September 30th, 2017-15:21
Hi, Georges, As you know, all opinions and points of view are welcome here, so long as they are respectfully presented. But we are very alert to crusades, both pro and con, perpetuation of myths, especially if the reality is known here but not so widely k... 

the miura is a magnifisicently designed car and the miura sv was the best version of the miura ever made.I suppose that the modifications made by Audi to Lambo made things better

 
By: georgeszaslavsky : September 30th, 2017-16:12
From the late 50's to the early 70's the best handling luxury sedans made in the USA were the imperial crown lebaron sedans for these reasons: -the torsion quiet ride featuring semi elliptic heavy duty leaf springs in the rear with rear torsion bar with s... 

Let's stick to the points you made specifically in this sub-thread

 
By: ThomasM : September 30th, 2017-17:42
"...these cars are mechanically unreliable and absolute rustbuckets" Hi Georges, How are Miuras mechanically unreliable, vis a vis other highly tuned high strung high performance cars pf the period? Let's start out with baselines, I am neither agreeing no... 

On Miuras, the multiple carburettors (generally 4 WBER IDL40 3bbl Carburetors) needed regularly fine tuning but also the design of the fuel supply was however imperfect, the car being known for a fire hazard of the engine compartment,

 
By: georgeszaslavsky : October 1st, 2017-02:00
due to combustion (due to the heat of the exhaust manifolds) escaping from the carburetors in the event of blockage of the floaters in the low position. Other thing to consider, Lamborghini formed the engine and gearbox in one casting. Its shared lubricat... 

Thank you, Georges, great read; made me nostalgic. You also confirmed my point...

 
By: ThomasM : October 1st, 2017-05:20
Rushing out for a 630a drive group meet up, will try to revisit this in more detail later, but in brief - 1. Yes, earlier drivetrain (engine and transmission) lubrication sharing was not ideal. Not really a practical problem during most normal driving, bu... 

I appreciated your reply, I wish too that I was born earlier that I was so that I could appreciate cheap gasoline and run countless quarter miles on Woodward Avenue during the week end

 
By: georgeszaslavsky : October 1st, 2017-08:38
1) Yes on that we agree. For me what makes something unreliable is the fact that you have to baby it and overtake care of it and because it isn't made to be used in normal or harsh conditions or that it is prone to malfunction after a few months of use. 2... 

Stunning...

 
By: ThomasM : September 30th, 2017-06:52
I sometimes feel that, during an exotic car gathering, too many all together at once is a bit like being forced to eat a 12 course meal with truffles and foie gras in every course - satiety or worse. But with the wild and different colors, there is enough...