patrick_y
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Hmmm... I'm mostly familiar with the 996/997 generation. Sports cars need double wishbone suspension.
I realized I'm not a Porsche 911 driver... I used to track 911s and I was just terrible. I could never hit the gas early just before the apex. As this is very counter-intuitive (why am I going to hit the accelerator while still turning deeper into the turn). The car would also be so prone to spinning due to not having enough weight in the back. So I was complaining to my technician, and then I started to try to align the car in different ways, and I was still not getting the performance I needed. Then, one day, I drove a Lamborghini Huracan. The car was so easy to drive! The contact of the tires was so good! And then I realized! MacPherson Strut really is inferior! One really needs to have a double wishbone suspension to be able to articulate the tire in on camber and off camber corners. Furthermore, the mid engine also meant I wouldn't spin out anymore. And the Lamborghini also drove more intuitively.
I then realized... Porsches are generally bought by people who really don't know what they're doing (like I was totally not knowing what I was doing at the time) and it really an illogical car (rear engine is totally illogical) and in terms of suspension set up, the lack of a double wishbone suspension really meant a Porsche had no grip on any off-camber corners. Sure. Porsche 911s have a HUGE AMOUNT of camber baked into the alignment so the tires really dig into the ground. Porsche 911s also have very wide tires so even though only a small percentage of the tire is in contact with the ground, considering it's so big of a tire, your still having some tire touching the ground at all times.
I've spun over a dozen times in a 911. It's embarrassing. And fortunately, the yellow and sometimes red flags always promptly started to wave for me and nobody ever hit the side of the car with me still in it. But it's definitely not a good feeling. A little down in the pride, some danger, and you're wondering what you did wrong...
I know you're a Porsche lover. And I used to be a Porsche lover. My most prized possession when I was in grade school was a Porsche 911 brochure (993 generation) that my teacher gave me (she liked Porsches and drove a Mazda RX7). I grew up thinking Porsches were the best. Determined to drive a Porsche! But driving the 996 and 997 generation cars that were really prone to spinning was an eye opener. I realized that I just wasn't a Porsche guy. Then after talking to the alignment guy and he explained to me why I wasn't getting grip in certain corners on a specific track, that's when I realized the Porsche 911 really has a very basic MacPherson Strut suspension that can't articulate the wheel to maximize the tire contact patch.
My Porsche love started to wane. Then I drove the Lamborghini Aventador in 2012. Wow. So much poise. Balance. Grip. Power. And SO EASY TO DRIVE. And supposedly they were reliable too! Too bad it was so showy. And a little wide. And then I drove the 991 generation 911 in 2012. The car was so big. So comfortable. And so easy to drive! The car wouldn't spin. I would later drive the car on the track and boy, the computers caught me every time before I could spin the car. Even if I did something silly, the car wouldn't spin. My biggest complaint was alleviated! The car was safer and so much easier to drive... But... The lack of a double wishbone suspension still bothered me. I would never get enough mechanical grip in off camber corners.
Today... The GT3 now has a double wishbone suspension. And it also has the computers to prevent me from spinning. I'd feel good in it, it's safe, reliable, comfortable, and quiet. But I also drove the Lamborghini Huracan in 2014, thanks to another member on WPS. And while the Huracan isn't perfect... Steering isn't perfect. Visibility is horrible. It's quiet, but not as quiet as a Porsche GT3 Touring... But the Lamborghini is so emotional. It's even easier to drive than the Porsche too! Much more grip in on-camber and off-camber corners too thanks to the double wishbone suspension. And the Huracan is very reliable! I realized I was buying a Porsche for the name. For the brand reputation. And I didn't really understand the product. And I didn't really understand the mechanics. I learned so much talking to the mechs and techs in the pits. And I realize I was a total plebeian. So that's why I research and analyze everything I buy now. Watches. Cars. Clothes! Even wine!
The new Porsche 911 S/T
Another unobtainium from Porsche: Anniversary model for the 60th anniversary of the 911 in a limited run of 1,963 cars Lightest 911 of the 992 generation 4.0-liter boxer engine with 518 hp and maximum engine speed of 9,000 rpm Lightweight clutch and a sho...
I'd buy one if they'd sell one to me.
But I'm sure they've got a dozen people asking for it and I'm sure I'll be last in line. This one has the double wishbone front suspension right?
Yay! Double wishbone suspension for the win! Nice machine! Too bad it's not going to be attainable!
And too bad it costs $100K more than it should!
Bye bye Porsche. Hello Lamborghini!
And I'd never consider the Lamborghini if it wasn't reliable. Fortunately, the Lamborghini is very reliable (probably because it's 20% an Audi). Nevertheless... The problem here isn't Porsche overcharging. It's consumers overpaying!
Which pushes someone like me to consider buying an Audi disguised as a Lamborghini!
I'm partially joking with that disguise statement, the Audi can also be said is a detuned Lamborghini. Either way, the Huracan is an amazing and fun to drive machine. Very easy to drive too. Terrible to see out of the car though. And tiny unusable trunk. ...
At list I would be a buyer..
But these are all going to the VIPs and the ones that the dealership keep will be selling for $600k, it won’t be a $150k mark up it will be more. Standard 992 tourings had a $100k mark up.
That's crazy! And the USA market might not even get the carbon fiber roll cage...
Will the USA market even get that carbon fiber roll cage? $600K is what Singer charges for their cars... So some people will be able to justify paying that much for a modern car... But honestly, $300K is what it's worth. Carbon fiber panels don't command ...
I'm only estimating based on what the 992 SC and the GT3RS are being listed for online.
and those are both $300k cars. Yes a lot of speculators have entered the porsche market. Thus, ruining it for us enthusiasts once again. I was recently offered by my neighbor a 993TT as he recently bought a yellow 993TT to match his CGT. I'm seriously con...
Hmmm... I'm mostly familiar with the 996/997 generation. Sports cars need double wishbone suspension.
I realized I'm not a Porsche 911 driver... I used to track 911s and I was just terrible. I could never hit the gas early just before the apex. As this is very counter-intuitive (why am I going to hit the accelerator while still turning deeper into the tur...
Overall. I'd say keep your car or get a Lamborghini...
I know you're a Porsche lover. And I used to be one. But once you understand the mechanical difference between a MacPherson Strut and a Double Wishbone... You'll never want a MacPherson Strut again. It's like owning a chronograph with a cam system instead...
My speedster and touring are dead mans cars, those will be handed down to my kids.
I'm only thinking of adding the 993TT as it was the last air cooled. I just think it will hold value and give me a different driving experience being a bit more narrow and nimble. Bringing the go cart feel back to driving, but I fear that I will feel like...
I can't do MacPherson Strut in windy canyon roads anymore...
Have you considered a Corvette Z06? I haven't driven one, but I'm told it's very good. A little heavy, but very practical, comfortable, and has double wishbone AND a TRUE DRY SUMP! Even my Tesla Model 3 has a true double wishbone and it has a dry sump too...
That price tag is bonkers...
At that price, I'd rather have a Lamborghini Huracan Technica RWD. Which will likely be even less than that price if I'm not too heavy handed on the options.
Yes! You did say that above.
Too bad, as it is a nice machine. The GT3 Touring and this model are the nicest looking Porsche cars I've seen in a while! This price tag is not so nice looking.
This is cool
I'd rather have the recent sport classic, however, I am not famous enough for an allocation 🤷♂️
the very best of the modern ones - seems wunderbar
@Porsche: can you please stop the tacky watches association? You don't need that thank you
any news here?
another heavy GT - ehm sportscar.... with zillions of assist systems to keep the driver in his lane.... it is a shame where Porsche has led the 911 within the last 20 years (if at all the 997 being the last of the original DNA). Targeting larger groups by...
NO
even the GT4 weighs only 30 kg less than this s/t (GT4 at 1.415 empty... is also heavy for the concept) my last 993 Turbo with the big engine (450 hp) and fully leathered had 1.250 kg and was thus a fat cat compared to the 993 RS model or GT2...
cannot judge on the A110
but the 4C is super close to my first 911 which was a 964 coupe in 1991
Under 1400 kilos !!!
That is pretty good .. and an even more responsive bonkers engine ... Shame it will be mostly bought by flippers and 'collectioneurs' as investment .... . It is be a piece of art, but nobody wants to trash a piece of art ;-) .. except for a few die hards ...
Kind of ..
Using it properly, not to the extreme but not being afraid to scratch it or driving it through some mud or whatever.
if my wife would let me place one car permanently in our living room ;-))
not for driving, you are right. but more pretty than a piano or a fireplace or a long dinner table. and its got stereo, two seats and if needed an engine for warmth
Indeed ...
I'd give 3 million for a car that's even slower ;-) ... . The zerotoosixtytwo hype has always been there and overhyped by Tesla .. fun for the first 3 times .. but then you realize there's more fun to be had in a 10 second zero to 62 car ;-) ...
