The two watches in question are a VC Historiques (33 mm) Reference 92239 in yellow gold with box but no papers. Or, the PP Gondolo Reference 5009j in yellow gold with applied Arabic numbers and with papers (plus hang tag) but no box. The price of the PP is about 2x that of the VC. I am looking for a classic dress watch in gold — the shape of the Gondolo case is unique and appealing for that reason (and others).