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ThomasM
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Bart, please try...

to separate the discussion points (you have several valid ones) from the strident, torch and pitchfork screed.

Would you try to do that, please? It would make this discussion much more productive, and probably would also result in a much more substantive learning experience for all.

Whether or not the picture is of the same watch (I am fairly convinced already by Allen's sleuthing, amazing eyes and detective work, Allen) you have two points that you keep raising that are really stinking up what are otherwise interesting and thought provoking posts by you -

1. your insistence that the hands are die cut, and therefore the "problems" are extant on most/multiple samples. This is simply untrue and incorrect, barring some pretty damning and CONCLUSIVE indisputable evidence from you, which you have not provided, and which, from your other comments, seem impossible to be forthcoming since you have neither ever seen a KV in person, nor visited his workshops, and presumably, never been in direct contact with him.

If I am wrong on any of these points, please share and correct so we can consider your point on this; otherwise, please stop trying to use inductive or deductive reasoning to refute personal and factual observation.

2. your insistence that the (most likely) single (or rare) example of "imperfection" (and it seems a doozy!) is worth stirring up the ruckus you are, and reason to damn the work and impugn the reputation of Kari's work overall.

You can't possibly be saying that there should NEVER be any imperfection "slipping through" - if so, I am sorry, you have just lost all credibility with me as a serious, legitimate connoisseur (or even production manager or executive) - even six sigma level quality standards don't propose ZERO defects.

So given that this apparent defect slipped through, we who know Kari have already stated that he would, without question, repair or replace the defective part, given the opportunity to do so.

Do you know otherwise? And if not, why not give the owner and Kari a chance?

What's the harangue about, really?

I am sincerely curious and would like to understand, but without a less bombastic harangue to distort and cloud the relevant issues, I am starting to wonder if you have some other agenda than the meaningful, sincere discussion of watch appreciation and criticism. And if there is a hidden agenda, I guarantee you I will not hesitate to lock, even delete, this thread.

Please make your points as cogently and simply, directly, as possible, hopefully so as a 10 year old can understand the points (that's what my friends tell me my intelligence level stopped at) and without the lambast and hail and brimstone. 

And acknowledge the counter points being presented.

And please give us a little respect for being not complete fools and idiots; most of us are NOT rabid fan boys who feel the need to worship at ANYONE's altar.

Then, maybe, we can have a meaningful, substantive discussion that can actually be worth the time to engage and consider.

Sincerely,

TM