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decisions decisions!!!
In Minute Repeaters we have yet another league up!
What do you think of the 5970....for me, that is a complication up and superb....that would be on my list of Top 3 watches of last 20 years.....i mean production watches ... not special one-offs or super-complications with 3000 different applications
Opinion and review on the 2015 Patek Philippe 5370P
Forumners, After a few months, I think it is a good time to look back at the new Patek Philippe 5370P , unveiled during Baselworld 2015. It is a new reference but is aiming at becoming a future iconic model and from what we understand: it won't be produce...
What I think of 5370? I am so disappointed...
... that I shall be far from being able to apply for one. But as a dream, it is a wonderful one ! ;-))) Thanks for this great review Mark. Mike
This is so true
Patek has produced so much beautiful and interesting chronograph models. However, this one is I think the most appealing for this complication or simpler versions. I wished there was a more affordable similar model but, wouldn't we see too much of it if i...
Fantastic work again Mark, thank you!
I will handle 5370P for the first time on the coming Friday. But I ordered it a long time ago and I expect it next year. The best recommendation was when a Patek executive said me in May that "5370P is perhaps the finest reference we have made in decades"...
My pleasure Kari
and thank you for your very nice words. I thought about some of you when writing the article and I really feel this is the right move when considering what this watch gathers. You talk about patience and I think that seeing it on Friday will make you want...
Handling 5370P is just a part of the fun...
I have been promised that I will see something very special which would not explode my bank account. Let's see. Plus I will pick up my 8th Patek of 2015. I think it's enough for one year unless I will see something stunning and cheap. Sounds like "mission...
Exciting Kari
I wonder what this is... Even if the 5370P will remain the "main course" ! These are many watches you bought but what I like is the way you do it: always really knowing what you'll be finding and with a great interest in details. I appreciate that "philos...
The coming 5370P
is just an appetiser while waiting for the main course. I just heard that still about one year before the main course will be served. That will be a champagne dinner. Best, Kari
Less watches in 2016 but even more exciting
I wish you can take the time to savour them as much as they deserve! Cheers, Mark
Who knows...
Now my thoughts are in 5370P and I hope that I will get it during the coming 6-7 months. It's always nice to plan next year and limiting the number of new watches. But what happens if Patek will introduce a nice 40th Anniversary Nautilus. Or an automatic ...
I agree we never know
And I guess this is also nice to be surprised with a novelty we didn't expect. Who knows, the Nautilus will maybe be stunning? I see that you would like an automatic chrono? Most of the people talk about manual. I'm quite an automatic guy and even if I li...
I am not actually short of chronographs
and this year I got i.e. PP 5960/1A and 5980/1A. I'm waiting for 5370P plus another I will pick up any time quite soon. But an automatic chronograph in platinum, see through back plus normal minute and hour counters would be nice. Such a watch does not re...
I don't think It is planned but would be a nice surprise
Currently I must say I'm really into the Chrono-PC models, whether it is a 5970R or a 5270R. Not many I would like to purchase but the few ones are piece of history (or future so). Cheers, Mark
Finally Patek releases a manual Chronogaph which is nicer than the 5070.
Here, which really sings to me is the: - Case: good size, proportions, not too mannered, just enough to really be appealing. - The coaxial pusher which reveals the presence of the... - Rattrapante! There are not so many in the market. But it is a magic ch...
I think we all agree
This is a great move from patek. You're right to mention the case has what it needs to be interesting without being boring or too classical: it has the thing which makes it different and appealing (like the 5070 has) A little precision though: the sub-dia...
No real flaws, indeed. Except maybe the presence of luminova on hands,
Which was not really necessary. But this is a minor " less ". Best, Nicolas
This is a detail I didn't know if I would prefer with or without
Very hard to tell but now that I'm used to seeing the 5370P with it, I think that a normal hand would have seem a little boring in comparision. As you say, this is a minor detail :) Cheers, Mark
I can understand that
I remember when I saw the Lange 1, black dial which had luminous hands (don't remember the name), I didn't like this detail at the time. Maybe it is because I saw normal hands Lange1 before that, as, here, this is the first 5370P version we see
almost
but still not better case & dial, 5070 still wins put this movement in a 5070 and you have the perfect watch
He he, interesting.
I have ( if possible ) to see it in the flesh, to be sure that I prefer the case of this 5370 over the 5070. As for the dial, give me a 5070 enamel dial and I will be in heaven. Best, Bruno. Nicolas
They are really completly different
However, I think the 5070's case is good but what makes it so appealing is the combo with the dial: it is the oeverall look. The 5370P too of course but if you take only the case, I think the 5370P's is more interesting and unique. You'll tell us!
is it possible to use the OLD software ? The previous layout was imo better
I might be in a minority but I do not like this new site :-( Not on my Mac and not on my Iphone I sometimes have difficulties to make a reply ( probably did something wrong) And I can't find the 'edit' function anymore
and
not only the 'edit' but also the 'preview' when you want to post a reply ? Is that function gone or didn't I see it ?
Preview
The preview button is now in the menu bar when you type your text (on the right next to HTML button) ...
I agree.
The new layout is both messy and unpleasant to use. Why to fix something when it's working well... Best, Kari
I'm sorry too Kari
This is not very comfortable to start with a new UI. But for instance the reply function, the more I use it, the more I find it nice to use. Everything is not perfect yet but give this UI a chance. In fact, 50% of our members use a desktop/laptop while th...
I'm sorry Bruno but the new interface is the only one
I started using it 3 days ago and I know it is not pleasant to change habits at the begginning but I start to find my marks now and must say I even find some features more interesting than with the previous interface. We will bring evolution as time goes ...
Edit button
another thing: there is a bug which makes the Edit button disappear. You have to log off and log in again and it will appear. Bill will fix this soon
Sorry to hijack the thread
But all the PM I've sent and received in the past..... Where can I find them?
On the bleu bandeau, click on the red body...
Here.... Above your avatar... Then you will see Private Messages. Click on it.
We are working hard for you Bruno.M1
I was a big transition and we are still tuning. Edit should still be in place for the customary 30 minutes. The quickest way to get to your post after using the reply button is by clicking on the little head top right menu and choice "My Posts" pick the p...
Would be great
as I love lacquered or enameld glossy dials. The problem is than we may have then too much black dial as we are starting to have many blue ones too A tough dosage!
So, a white enameled version would have been cool.
Maybe Patek will come back with 5 to 10 new 5070 next year, with such an enamel dial? :) Best, nicolas
lol
...but yes you're right! I guess they'll keep enamel dials for much more expensive watches, even if I love your idea. Why not a little serie for the 176th Anniversary :) Cheers, Mark
Another great write up, Mark!
although I'm not convinced about the 41mm size of the case...the watch seems to be very well balanced on the wrist (of course, for that wrist). talking on a purely aesthetic impact, the 5370P is sensational, it's gorgeous! I always had a bit of trouble ac...
Thank you very much Chris!
Yes, I think the decentralized sub-dials work very well here (even if I never had a problem with this issue as I even prefer a balanced position with the brand's tag rather than 2 subdials at 3 and 9 which are usually squeezed between the outer scale and ...
Spectacular post again Mark! A joy to read, thanks for posting
It is a thing of pure beauty this 5370P… a dream to most of us so being able to see detailed photos and reading more about it here is great!
Yes a dream watch for Patek enthusiasts
Hope to see one again in the future. Thanks for your nice comments keks! Cheers, Mark
great post, thank you
that is a 99% perfect watch. For sure one of the best they made since 2010 Very nice dial, great case, unbelievable movement and a very good size Why 99% and not 100 ? I prefer the sundials to be perfect aligned at 3 and 9 o'clock any not a bit below And ...
+1 on Luminova, Bruno. Good point. That detail jumped in my eyes.
BUT I forgot it when looking at the rest of the watch. +1! Best, Nicolas
My pleasure Bruno!
I know the competition with new releases is tough when one possesses a 5070 but they don't lack talent at Patek :) You had this watch in your hands if I remember well, I'm glad you give such an opinion about this model. Thanks for your kind words about th...
movement
and btw .... this looks MUCH better than the Datograpgh movement MUCH BETTER [URL=] [/URL] ...
No, not that easy because the extra parts of the rattrapante complication contribute...
A lot to the charm of these movements, compared to their no split brothers... Best, Nicolas
I think I would have to choose the double split
It displays its complexity so well so incredibly three dimensional that said, I am usually partial to the Swiss aesthetic
Far from being easy and will remain I think very personal
It will depend on how we cope with the aesthetics, the size, the wearability, what we want from a caliber, the importance of the technical aspects etc... One should have both! Cheers, Mark
yes
yes better the the DS too personal opinion ofcourse but those blued screens and gold chatons are imo very overrated
pardon, pardon,pardon: the DS movement is an unmachted piece of engineering ...
... and surely a "historically important watch", inho. Clock work that is integrated in the minute counter's wheel column, centrally positioned chrono- and (!) rattrapante wheels and last not but least an isolator mechanism that looks (strikingly) similar...
I was not talking about the technical aspects moritz
May be the DS is more advanced or more special but just looking at how the movement looks..... I prefer this patek movement
I am sure that the DS movement will create a bigger "wow!" to the untrained eye than ...
... Patek's ss chrono will. Just because of the "mighty snake pit" -look of it and the shine of the German Silver. This Patek calibre looks, albeit very slick, a little higgledy-piggledy and all over the place. Patek's 5959 ss chrono movement in contrast ...
DS
The DS is a fantastic watch, maybe the best of its kind, especially since it adds a "double split" minute chrono hand too. Many article were written about its features. We were with Bruno only talking about aesthetics and personnal taste. The shape of rbi...
It is much more my taste too Bruno
Even if I don't know if I could say which one is the best in terms of finishing for instance. However, when I got this picture I remained quite a while looking at it...
Indeed Damjan, finding the Patek or the ALS caliber better looking is subjective, I agree
More or less depth, more or less blued screws and gold chatons etc.... I would like to look at the anglage side by side though. But we should also consider the production numbers. Cheers, Mark
Great review, and breathtaking watch
Absolutely one of my all time Patek favorites. Just about everything is right about this piece, and taken to the Nth degree. Stunningly beautiful. Magically complex. Bold, but not arrogant size. The dial and case work are sex on the wrist. Tremendous sens...
I think your feeling is widely shared about this reference
The difference between a nice watch and the nicest version, i.e. bringing perfection in many aspects instead of just "good". Perfectly well summed up John, thanks :) Cheers, Mark
I think it has become a grail for many Patek fans
It is difficult to find an area where something is wrong, even if it remains a subjective exercize too. Thanks beejo. Cheers, Mark
German Silver, twice assembled and last but not lesat 60 minutes of stopage time...
... make the 5959 p still the "better" choice , for me. You are asking whether German silver is more durable than steel but durability is not the question if you use German Silver. You can treat German Silver with acids and give it a black look by doing s...
Re:
Well Moritz, as I said I don't really want to compare each caliber with each other, especially because there is a lot of subjective elements and that we should be comparing them side by side, which is hard to do. However, I think there is no question abou...
Indeed: 100k makes a difference
It wasn't aware that there is such a difference in terms of price between the 5959 and 5370. As far as I know the 5959 calibre is made of German Silver and hence the connection to it. Best Moritz
ooh.....i think we would need to agree to disagree on this!
Take price out of the equation......the 5370 would win quite comfortably for me. I think a few PP watches over history have captured something special. That something special is always very tricky to define. It is often a balance of the dial...or maybe a ...
successs, a very fleeting thing
The best PP in the last decade was to me: the 5170. The success of the 5070 was, maybe mostly, driven by the fact that PP released a new manual chronograph in 60 or so years. The well informed collectors, an investors, made a run for this piece and the ni...
Vive la difference, my friend!
And yes, we can agree on the 3448!! 5170, for me, is just not one I appreciate so much. I think it falls so much in the shade of the 5070 that it suffers by comparison. It doesn't make me "right", but it is my view. The 5370.....uhm, i think that is a dif...
I can settle on the 5370 as pinacle in the chrono weight category
as there are some very heavy weights in the other complication categories !
decisions decisions!!!
In Minute Repeaters we have yet another league up! What do you think of the 5970....for me, that is a complication up and superb....that would be on my list of Top 3 watches of last 20 years.....i mean production watches ... not special one-offs or super-...
well, the 5970's success was in hindsight also credited to investors
the current 5270 is much, much more appealing to me than the 5970. Portholes of the 5270 are not to everybody's taste but I like them a lot! As a collector's piece the 5970 should be in the collection but the 5270 deserves it more. Best Moritz
we must agree to disagree again!!
Like the 5070, the 5970 has an aesthetic and balance to my eye that is perfect. Balance makes a big difference to me on this......I once owned a 5970P and sold it......I would love to get it back. On equivalent pricing, i would take the 5970 over the 5270...
when it was first issued....
....i bought one as new from PP. I also had the 5070P. Between the two watches, my 5970P never got wrist-time...the 5070P always claimed my wrist-time. But it was a mistake to sell it...i regret it.
not to add insult to injury but if you happen to have two 5070
... why did you let the 5970 go and not a 5070? I am sure you had a good reason for that but still a surprising move.
a good question....
.....partly favouritism. The 5070G never got to my wrist ahead of the 5070P.....so i let both 5070G and 5970P go. At the time, i was accumulating vintage Rolex......so was evaluating just how much I wanted the 5070G and 5970P relative to not only the 5070...
Great review as always Mark- sorry late to this party
This lookalike a killer PP I think it has all the right features 1. Size 2. part case 3. Enamel dial 4. Brilliant movement However I think the price is a killer- as with all PP at this stratospheric level. I would dearly like to own one . I have just trie...
Yes we can say we will remember it for long!
The 5170G black dial is in that matter a very interesting offer indeed. A watch to dream about and a witness of the brand's skills The 5004 has a Perpetual Calendar in addition to the Split-second feature and at a quite higher budget. One of them is diffi...
Just had to re-read this......
.....given Zabreg's recent acquisition....i needed to re-read your review. Mark, I think your review is the best review of this watch anywhere. It is an inspired and excellent review. What a watch.
Joe, thank you for your very kind comments,
very much appreciated. The pictures from Magnus and Oliver helped a lot :p Have a nice week-end Cheers, Mark
+ 1000 but...
...that brings me back to my earlier remark : I am so disappointed... ...that this beauty is definitely out of reach... Never mind, I shall leave happy with mine as I am not totally out of nice ones also. But this 5370 P is really a killer I must say. Tha...
I am so glad this review was resurrected.
A brilliant review, with outstanding photos of a wonderful piece. Everything about this piece is so right. My only gripe is that it is "right" i.e. As an awkward leftie (preferred hand, not political stance) the mono-pusher doesn\'t work for me. Though fo...
This reference is indeed a very special one
This is definitely the kind of pieces that adds a little brick to the myth of the brand. Thank you for your very nice comments Cheers, Mark
Magnificent write up!!
Really enjoy your review. And the pictures are truly breathtaking! This ref. is one of the best modern PP, IMHO. Thank you for sharing such a great insights & pics
Yes, it is definitely the birth of a very important piece
Thanks for your comments, it's my pleasure! Cheers, Mark
Mark, thank you for your incredible detailed report and beautiful images of the 5370P!
While I do not own this watch I have had the great pleasure of having it on my wrist and for me this amazing watch (in every respect) is one of the best watches of Patek's modern era, which I think of as post 1985. For me, it has the "wow" factor x 10! Be...
You're too kind
The images of Magnus and Oliver are indeed breathtaking and did a lot for the article We are lucky also to have some owners posting theirs lately. A piece that emphasizes what we like in Patek Philippe and why we do so. Thanks for sharing your feeling! Ch...
