Patek Philippe

but I would say that I don't try to remain positive that would be missing the right position. But I want to highlight that things can look different and I like to put things back in perspective to get a fair opinion. Otherwise we just fool ourselves in th... 

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and based on that, these pieces are a good idea. But these also push out many old clients and that's a bad idea. It is always cheaper and easier to keep the old client group than to get a new one. Best, Kari

This would be true if the clients were the same with time but we get old. It would be true if clients' profile remained the same with time: this is what changes IMHO. The new clients are younger by definition. These clients relfect the image, culture, fre... 

I echo what the others have said. I disliked the 5976 but the 5711P is still ok. It's not something I will aspire for though but I think this will save me some money. I also did a double take when I saw the 5976, when I saw the PP website, then that's whe... 

Showing people are very much expecting about the Nautilus line and the fact that the general tastes are usually very conservative, the final outcome has surprised many of our fellow purists. Always nice saving money for the future, there will be for every... 

In light of the fact that the fabled 5711P that were made in small batches the past 5 years is no longer in existence, the LE is the closest thing that we have, if one can get an allocation at all. I seems that most of the posts have been quite negative f... 

Would it be easier to get one? The thing is that I don't think forums/blogs are where you will find most of the traditional collectors. I tend to think that they have a close relationship with the brand via their AD/Salon and not influenced by comments fr... 

I fully agree with for opinion. I am afraid since the 175th anniversary, but believe me, we do not have many alternatives to patek regarding modern watches. I decided to go more for vintage watches. Here is AP my favourite. Very nice and hard to get. All ... 

Like the 40th Anniversary Nautilus watches or not, it's hardly a reason to auction your Pateks, or question the future of the brand. Vintage or present, there are a lot of Pateks we would all love to own, many more than any other brand. Same will hold tru... 

I feel that the 5711P LE will be more popular, just because of its traditional size and appearance, and less made. It might be the harder piece to be allocated.. just my 2 cents.

I think the blue is stunning either the same or similar to the new ladies 7118A as per pics ...  

One or two mistakes on the road don't make a ship sink. There are many beautiful and interesting pieces from the past, and from the present collections. It is not because one doesn't like today's anniversary bold move that everything falls apart. I imagin... 

For years, I have read the repeated criticisms of our other brands - "how could they do that, they are only after money, Patek would never do that", etc. The perch does not seem so high anymore. Kari - I will openly admit when I opened this post, I was ex... 

but just that whatever is unveiled and especially when going largely out of the usual path (daring style, moving the AP logo somewhere else on the dial :O , etc...), the reactions will be quite "energetic", especially on open forums. It can happen to the ... 

Politically correct or not, I think we can express our honest opinions here. Best, Kari

I recalled a purist who was allocated both watches, and he seemed to loss interest once the pictures were unveiled. Just wondering.... anyone allocated who agreed to accept either of the two watches? If so, how did the process work? Did you order the watc... 

they are told not to make a list and take names and that Geneva will decide (I imagine with the help of the local retailer). I don't know more precisely how it will work. Cheers, Mark

A high ranking PP person has said that PP doesn't want to be just a Nautilus brand, that there are many other watches in their collection. As others have pointed out, the 40th anniversary was intended to be low key. It seems that those chosen to receive t... 

I will write a post about how I see this one and how I see trends evolutions when I have time. Until then, I would really like to see how it looks like in the metal, normal size etc... Thanks for your balanced output. Cheers, Mark

The dial inscriptions are in your face atrocious. extremely tacky. Best part about them is the box! They've lost their way. No longer producing pieces with discerning eye and for a conservative collector. Trying to appeal to the masses.

When I saw these, the first thing I said was, "f*ck." The first thing I thought was, "greed." How does something like this happen? Were there no focus groups in the design process? I just don't understand. Is there any indication what the fallout will be?... 

Is that 2,000 pieces take time to manufacture. That so, PP could react to this negativity by offering recipients the choice: embossing or no embossing. The diamond markers in themselves identify these pieces as different. If this forum is anything to go b... 

A great combination constructive criticism and easy solution. I am confident many collectors can either learn to live with, or in fact love the diamonds, which distinguish these watches from all other Nautilus watches. Sure production might be delayed a b... 

I for one said \'The 5711P is great!\'

However, I am not Pateks target buyer for these watches. If I had many Pateks already and wanted to own something special, different and collectible I might go for it. I am not fond of the date marking, or diamonds, but as a one off piece in a large colle... 

seen these two references in the metal. I fully appreciate why the embossing and diamond markers have disappointed many Patek fans. However, given my ownership experience with 5131G which have the words "Patek" and "Geneve" engraved on the bezel, I realiz... 

Exactly and it is true with every brands. The live experience is often very different and croped details are totally different when you handle the watch. Not that some flaws magically disappear but nearly for some of them. There are watches without "chin"... 

Thanks Mark! Cheers G.

Much to talk about Cheers, Mark

My AD was allocated a 5711P. He already submitted a name to HSWA. This was accepted. The AD may take names. In 2017, if there are further allocations, the list will be submitted to HSWA for review. Those chosen will be notified. This is the process in the... 

I'm pretty sure 700 platinum 5711 is not enough to satisfy the demand I bet the 5711P they made in the past was just some kind of a test. Imo they wanted to know the demand for such a piece And if they gathered let's say 1000 or more requests they now dec... 

My AD can\'t even place an order for a second customer. The system of preapproval is meant to prevent customers from placing the same order with different AD. The address will also be filled on the certificate, on top of the name before the AD gets the wa... 

issue selling out !

I think those pre-approved are quietly waiting for their watches. Quiet waters run deep.

5976G ?

He can only take names to submit in 2017 if there more allocations to come. What did your AD say about it?

Because I like the 5711P more

I spent the majority of my time talking about the 5711P. The other model only came up in passing. I think that this may be the case in the majority of the collectors. If there will be pieces available in 2017 for the wait list, I don\'t think it will be t... 

size is too much for my small wrist !

Get the 5711P if allocated this year. Wait for the other next year if you still like it, since there are more made, and it\'s quite big for a lot of people.

unlikely to get the 5976G. Correct ?

The worst is that the AD said no

Patek because they usually do not wish to allocate more than one to the same person.

All you can do is try

wife ! LOL !

PP announces a third Nautilus LE in steel, no seconds hand, plain dial, 2000 pieces, (everything that we have been dreaming of) to be delivered next year. To be offered first to the 2000 buyers of the current LE this year. This might create some second th... 

To me this is the least appealing Nautilus of them all.

and most of us would have prefered the markings on the back side. Anyway, you have maybe seen on Kari's post that it is much more discreet in the metal: www.watchprosite.com Thanks for sharing your opinion on this reference. Cheers, Mark